Star Trek : Enterprise

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Oh joy, so they don't think trekkies can cope with things like storyline and plot development?

Well the series writers certainly can't...!

Originally Posted by ZrByte

so while we are on the subject of sci-fi baddies & goodies and stupid plots, lets hear your favourite....

favourite....
Baddie - Shadows from Babylon 5, not only did they look cool but they looked scary and seemed rather evil

Oh yes! I remember when B5 was first being shown and the discussions that were going on in the Fidonet B5 chat echoes! When we caught our first glimpses of the Shadow Ships the reaction was one of amazement and shock. As Keffer described them "They look like a cross between a spider and your worst nightmare"!

Alternatively, Servalan from Blake's 7, totally evil bitch in such a pretty package!

Plot line - Another B5 one, the Earth Civil War, main plot line for beggining of series 3 & the second half of series 4 of babylon 5

Again, agreed. "Messages from Earth", "Severed Dreams" and "Point of No Return" are three of the most powerful episodes with their own mini-arc that *really* drive home the point that there is just *no way back* for the B5 crew. I also loved the Series 3 intro monologue:

"Babylon 5 was our last, best hope for peace.

"It failed".

Or the episode "Pressure Point" in Blake's 7 where Blake thinks they're about to destroy the Federation's Control Centre only to find that it's a trap and Gan dies as they try to escape.

Goodie - Kosh from B5.

Hmm, not so sure here, after all, the Vorlons weren't so good after all, even though Kosh ended up more helping the good guys.

For me in B5 it's Marcus Cole, he was just *sooo* cool!

Disappearing on B4 and then popping up saying "well, that would be the most inconvenient time for us to be captured, so it was most likely to happen"

And I loved the Minbari fighting pike!

In Blake's 7 it's got to be Avon, although again, he's hardly a good guy!

least favourite.....baddie -

1) The Xindi from ST:Enterprise, talk about a bunch of hams!

2) The Borg. By the time we got to Voyager, despite all their powers and the races they've assimilated somehow Janeway and crew managed to run rings around them which was ludicrous.

plot line

The entire ST:Enterprise storyline. Too many to mention, but them finding excuses to get T'Pol to take her top off has to rank highly (or is that lowly?!)

goodie - Tough call between Sisko & Janeway

funny how all my fav SciFi moments are from B5 and all my least favourite are from Startrek,

Odd that, innit!

though I have always said that B5 had a more realistic outlook of the future, even if it is a more depressing outlook

The reason being, in part, that JMS loved Blake's Seven, it was so totally downbeat. Star Trek is stuck with Roddenberry's "Wouldn't it be nice if everyone was nice" idea of a universe, so the good guys always save the day and (eventually) convince the baddies that they should change their ways. JMS is more grown up than that!

I don`t know why we are even bothering to discuss who was the best Star Trek villain.

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Originally Posted by dr wadd

I don`t know why we are even bothering to discuss who was the best Star Trek villain.

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

"For hate's sake I spit my last breath at you...!"

Originally Posted by Graham

Another good point. All the Trekkies who were claiming that B5 was just a rip-off were saying things like "Oh the Narn are a copy of the Klingons, the Centauri are the comic relief like the Ferengi, the Earth Alliance is like the Federation" etc etc, boy were *THEY* ever *WRONG*...!!

When I first started watching B5 it was "so obvious" to me that the Centauri were going to be the bumbling comic relief and the Narn the bad guys in "evil" looking makeup. The gradual revelation of who these two races really were threw every Star Trek cliche out of the window. Sad to say *I* was one of those Trekkies. I soon learned not to take anything in the show at face value.

B5 has since become by far my favourite TV show of all time. Sorry Defiant, I`m as big a Trek nerd as they come, but it can`t hold a candle to B5.

[keithwalton]

It is a shame that enterprise has been given the death slot for season 4, although upn is kind on programes its still fairly terminal. The latter half of season 3 is getting rather quite good the continued storyline does make you want to watch next weeks to find out what is gonna happen even though for the most part you can work out the outcome. They need more alliances in it though I was glad to see the andorians come into it as it made it more than just a earth ship sadly they were only around for an episode then went.
I think this whole xindi business was scripted because people were complaing about them medeling with the timeline in season 2.
First contact did leave a good plot line open for this prequal to be done they just havent quite got it working.
The similarities between the NX-01 and the akira class are distintcly there.
apparently a pad was found from first contact thingy with akira specs on it but it does seem abit strange they got the shape but none of the internal gubbins.
Looks like they'll be heading back to earth for the end of season 3 / start of 4 so hopefully we shall see more friendly ships and nx-02 etc working. Actually the ship itself isnt on its way back its only archer in the xindi ship.

I do like enterprise and it has got better and is really starting to find its form of late, although I do have a problem with it, it shouldnt be called enterprise ! They have loads of names to choose from why that one. Theyre are only 6 enterprises in the previous timeline but now there is 7 and all refferences in the other series conflicts with this.
Excelsior would of been a fine name.

As for the borg stuff mentioned, they were killed off but did get out a message to the delta quad. but nothing will happen on that till tng era.

There should really be more stuff on the alpha and beta quadrents. I sure do hope the delphic expanse goes away when they've finished with all this as its not on the normal galactic maps.

K

[Stuart]

I have to admit, while I am a lifelong trekkie (I actually do like all the series and most of the movies up till now), I gave up watching Enterprise. Even ignoring the crap theme, I haven't seen one good actor on it, and thought most of the storylines in series one where distinctly lacking in imagination. The Special FX are good (which means visually it doesn't match with either the original series or TNG) but most SciFi shows have good SFX now.

As for Babylon 5, I also love that, but for different reasons to Star Trek. One thing I did like is the extended story arcs (an idea which the DS9 writers copied with their Dominion Wars arc, which I think made STS9 better). Star Trek seemed to have more fun elements, and in some cases, better acting. B5 was a better drama which took it's time to develop stories.

[bob_builder]

Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey

Personally I think a good end for Enterprise would be for Sam to 'leap' out of Archer after having completed some monumental task - like finally getting T'Pol to get naked....

Oh Boy!

Originally Posted by bob_builder

Oh Boy!

It is alleged that all script writers for Enterprise are issued with strict guidelines that, under no circumstances, no matter *what* the excuse or provocation, will Captain Archer *EVER* utter the words "Oh' and "Boy" in close proximity to each other!!

Re-opened - spoilers and some off topic stuff removed.

Originally Posted by bob_builder

A whole Enterprise episode story was almost like that - the one where Hoshi got caught in transporter limbo.

Now let me see.Didn't that happen in the ORIGINAL ST series?And in the Next Generation?

Like I said it's sloppy script writing with no thought to originality.Just go back to older series and nick ideas and get paid for it.

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Now let me see.Didn't that happen in the ORIGINAL ST series?And in the Next Generation?

Like I said it's sloppy script writing with no thought to originality.Just go back to older series and nick ideas and get paid for it.

The trouble is - with ALL the star trek series - Enterprise included. As I've said on lots of occasions.

There are only so many ways you can tell the same story. I think Star Trek used up most of these during TNG.

Sure there are a few new ideas - but not that many.

The trouble with Enterprise is that they SHOULD ( not that they do all/most the time) be considering the existing story and canon.

So - while I'm looking forward to season 4 - I'm not sure any more if it will be better than the first three. Although I guess season 3 was better than the first 2.

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

The trouble is - with ALL the star trek series - Enterprise included. As I've said on lots of occasions.

There are only so many ways you can tell the same story. I think Star Trek used up most of these during TNG.

Sure there are a few new ideas - but not that many.

The trouble with Enterprise is that they SHOULD ( not that they do all/most the time) be considering the existing story and canon.

So - while I'm looking forward to season 4 - I'm not sure any more if it will be better than the first three. Although I guess season 3 was better than the first 2.

I'm sorry but I preferred the first two series.This Xindi rubbish has annoyed me no end.The technology has taken a whole new leap because the writers just couldn't stick within the original limits.IF they had been anything like good writers they could have come up with something original without stepping out of the continuity of the ST universe.

Ah I hate prequels anyway.I really can't see the point of going backwards in a story.It's why I hate the latest set of Star Wars films and can't be a*sed to go and see them.Same with the new prequel books set in the Dune universe.Bah!

Incog turning into Victor Meldew.

Off topic stuff & arguments removed again.

Defiant - you will stop your arguments and childish behaviour now.

Dilligaf - There is no reason to close this, people want to talk about Enterprise and there is no point in another thread being created when this exists.

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

I'm sorry but I preferred the first two series.This Xindi rubbish has annoyed me no end.The technology has taken a whole new leap because the writers just couldn't stick within the original limits.IF they had been anything like good writers they could have come up with something original without stepping out of the continuity of the ST universe.

Ah I hate prequels anyway.I really can't see the point of going backwards in a story.It's why I hate the latest set of Star Wars films and can't be a*sed to go and see them.Same with the new prequel books set in the Dune universe.Bah!

Incog turning into Victor Meldew.

I must admit I hate prequels a lot too