17-11-2021, 12:14
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Re: The Smart Meter Con
Still don't believe what you claim is or will happen.
I certainly can't see the suppliers cutting you off. What would that achieve?
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17-11-2021, 13:01
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Re: The Smart Meter Con
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Still don't believe what you claim is or will happen.
I certainly can't see the suppliers cutting you off. What would that achieve?
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17-11-2021, 13:02
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Re: The Smart Meter Con
The whole point of smart meters is still being hidden from public view: the ability to change billing from kwh (losses made by power companies) to kva (losses paid for by consumers).
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17-11-2021, 13:20
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Re: The Smart Meter Con
Any comment from Stephen?
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17-11-2021, 13:51
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Re: The Smart Meter Con
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Any comment from Stephen?
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What are you expecting him to say? You already admitted yours is a cynical view. Taf and others have previously observed that smart meters can be used to charge kVa rather than kWh and have speculated that this will eventually happen, but have offered no evidence that it will. In the absence of evidence, this speculation, insinuation and cynicism just looks like another conspiracy theory.
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17-11-2021, 14:26
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Re: The Smart Meter Con
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What are you expecting him to say? You already admitted yours is a cynical view. Taf and others have previously observed that smart meters can be used to charge kVa rather than kWh and have speculated that this will eventually happen, but have offered no evidence that it will. In the absence of evidence, this speculation, insinuation and cynicism just looks like another conspiracy theory.
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It is already standard practice to businesses in the UK and EU, and it was EU power suppliers that started to demand kva charging for domestic customers.
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What is the kVA charge?
The kVA (kilo-Volt-Ampers) charge is a monthly amount paid to the local Distribution Network Operator (DNO) for the available power capacity provided to your business. This is paid indirectly to the DNO, via your energy bill. Your kVA charge is based on your Maximum Import Capacity (MIC).
What is Maximum Import Capacity?
Maximum Import Capacity is the peak power load which your business can draw from the electricity grid. This is agreed between your business and the local Distribution Network Operator (DNO). If the highest electricity demand in your business exceeds the MIC, the DNO levies an Excess Capacity Charge, payable via your business energy bill.
Where can I find details of my MIC and my kVA charge?
Your MIC and KVA charge are usually shown on your energy bill. Maximum Import Capacity (MIC) may be listed as Agreed Supply Capacity (ASC), Agreed Capacity or Availability. For your kVA charge, look for Capacity Charge or Availability Charge. Another simple way to find this key information is to call your local Distribution Network Operator (DNO).
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https://www.britishgasplus.co.uk/electricity-meters
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Summary of Updated ENA Functional Requirements for Smart Metering
With the anticipated increase in demand-side energy resources and
new types of domestic appliances which are expected to give rise to
lower power factors - such as: heat pumps, domestic air cooling
systems and compact fluorescent lighting, it will be increasingly
important to be able to measure real and reactive power flows in
terms both of import and export. Requirements apply to profile
classes 1, 2, 3 & 4. For polyphase meters supporting maximum
demand tariffs (typically profile classes 5 – 8) it must be possible to
also separately derive maximum (average half-hour) kVA for import
and export.
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https://www.energynetworks.org/indus...art-meters.pdf
And if you want to nod off... http://www.xylenepower.com/Electricity%20Metering.htm
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17-11-2021, 16:41
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Re: The Smart Meter Con
So are we planning to move to candles and a pot over an open fire ? I guess the next virgin price hike would not bother anyone then
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17-11-2021, 16:53
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Re: The Smart Meter Con
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So are we planning to move to candles and a pot over an open fire ? I guess the next virgin price hike would not bother anyone then
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I have dramatically reduced my lighting use since my hike in prices. I never used to care and left my kitchen and bathroom on all day ( both LED ) but now budgeting energy they stay off till needed saving 30 to 35 watt an hour which over a month adds up. Candles might cost more than a 10 watt led bulb to run hahaha
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17-11-2021, 17:05
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Re: The Smart Meter Con
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I have dramatically reduced my lighting use since my hike in prices. I never used to care and left my kitchen and bathroom on all day ( both LED ) but now budgeting energy they stay off till needed saving 30 to 35 watt an hour which over a month adds up. Candles might cost more than a 10 watt led bulb to run hahaha
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They can't switch a candle off via the smart meter
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17-11-2021, 17:07
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Re: The Smart Meter Con
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They can't switch a candle off via the smart meter
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they cannot switch off a battery operated bulb either haha
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17-11-2021, 17:09
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Re: The Smart Meter Con
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they cannot switch off a battery operated bulb either haha
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They can stop you recharging it ho ho
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17-11-2021, 17:18
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Re: The Smart Meter Con
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They can stop you recharging it ho ho
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but they cannot stop you buying batteries haha I am being a bit silly now. I used to have a pair of nice oil lamps
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17-11-2021, 17:26
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Re: The Smart Meter Con
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but they cannot stop you buying batteries haha I am being a bit silly now. I used to have a pair of nice oil lamps
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i have 5 oil lamps ,and 5 primus stoves and a supply of paraffin, a coal powered stove/oven and boxes of candles, I'm ready to go back in time, if the power /gas goes off.
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17-11-2021, 18:28
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Re: The Smart Meter Con
Handy to know…
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17-11-2021, 19:01
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Woke and proud !
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Re: The Smart Meter Con
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i have 5 oil lamps ,and 5 primus stoves and a supply of paraffin, a coal powered stove/oven and boxes of candles, I'm ready to go back in time, if the power /gas goes off.
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Don't you trust Boris to keep the lights on ? So much for sunlit uplands...
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