2010 General Election: The Cable Forum Exit Poll

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Bigot gate all over again

it confirms my belief that he has no interest in any one else s opinion ,he has a one track mind that has brought the country to the brink of disaster ,and plans to carry on regardless until he is physically ejected from no 10 ,i predict a long slow recovery in a mental institution as i firmly believe he's going to blow a gasket .

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i firmly believe he's going to blow a gasket .

That's what we're all hoping to see on the tele.

probably see the reporter outside number 10 talking about him being defeated and you hear him shouting and throwing stuff out the door onto the pavement and at the cameras

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

it confirms my belief that he has no interest in any one else s opinion ,he has a one track mind that has brought the country to the brink of disaster ,and plans to carry on regardless until he is physically ejected from no 10 ,i predict a long slow recovery in a mental institution as i firmly believe he's going to blow a gasket .

Would love to see the bailiffs sent in to evict him

[injuneer]

Does anyone actually believe what the Telegraph or any other newspaper says?

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by injuneer

Does anyone actually believe what the Telegraph or any other newspaper says?

They were citing the BBC, the story specifically states they were citing the BBC. First paragraph:

The BBC reported the confrontation based on remarks by a "very senior Lib Dem source who is involved in the negotiations with the Conservatives".

Best to read before judging sir.

Anyone who takes what newspapers say at face value is naive, in this case they are on perfectly safe ground.

[injuneer]

I still don't believe even Brown would be that stupid, if you're trying to woo supporters it would be suicidal.

[Ignitionnet]

Anyone have any thoughts on how this will affect things?

Forget a referendum on the Euro, we should have one on leaving the EU altogether in my opinion. Being asked to guarantee the debts of the Eurozone is totally unacceptable for the 11 EU-27 nations that don't use it and it speaks volumes for European 'democracy' that the Lisbon treaty that Brown rammed down our throats is already being misused, it's barely 6 months old.

BBC report on this.

[punky]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Anyone have any thoughts on how this will affect things?

Forget a referendum on the Euro, we should have one on leaving the EU altogether in my opinion. Being asked to guarantee the debts of the Eurozone is totally unacceptable for the 11 EU-27 nations that don't use it and it speaks volumes for European 'democracy' that the Lisbon treaty that Brown rammed down our throats is already being misused, it's barely 6 months old.

Indeed.

And considering Cleg would love this and Cameron dead set against it, looks like the wheels of the coalition could fall off before its got going.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Anyone have any thoughts on how this will affect things?

Forget a referendum on the Euro, we should have one on leaving the EU altogether in my opinion. Being asked to guarantee the debts of the Eurozone is totally unacceptable for the 11 EU-27 nations that don't use it and it speaks volumes for European 'democracy' that the Lisbon treaty that Brown rammed down our throats is already being misused, it's barely 6 months old.

we should send them a clear message -NO more money the eu is like a mill stone around our necks.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by punky

Indeed.

And considering Cleg would love this and Cameron dead set against it, looks like the wheels of the coalition could fall off before its got going.

Doubtful, it makes a pro-European position a lot less tenable. Above all else I think Clegg is a realist and pragmatist, his main problem will be selling pragmatism to those activists on the left of his party just as Cameron's will be about selling compromise to those on his right. A few Lib Dems are considerably closer to Cameron's policy view than some Conservatives.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Doubtful, it makes a pro-European position a lot less tenable. Above all else I think Clegg is a realist and pragmatist, his main problem will be selling pragmatism to those activists on the left of his party just as Cameron's will be about selling compromise to those on his right. A few Lib Dems are considerably closer to Cameron's policy view than some Conservatives.

Yes, Also the Liberal Democrats would understand that they have to defer to the Tories on the majority of issues because they have far more votes and seats. As you say, while it may not suit Clegg, he is pragmatic. Not only that but he is unlikely to love bailing out EU countries, he wants to reform the EU anyway.

The Lib Dems would be happy with electoral reform, civil liberties (easy one considering both parties are close on this) and a seat or two in government.

[Ignitionnet]

The Lib Dem voters I just heard on the BBC were typical of the activists:

I didn't vote Conservative it would be totally wrong for there to be a Conservative Prime Minister and for the Lib Dems to support them.

No you didn't, but more people voted Conservative than Lib Dem so even under PR the Conservatives would be the dominant party and have the 'right' to decide the PM. Get over it and don't be asses, you've a chance to get a good part of your agenda through and make real progress, even if it's not as much as you'd wish for

EDIT: Likewise from the Tory point of view, they weren't given an overwhelming mandate and can either loosely govern or bite the bullet for the sake of the country, give ground, and give us a stable government sooner rather than later. At the moment what we need above all else is stability, which in my opinion only a Tory / Lib Dem coalition can give as the alternatives would be a mess.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

The Lib Dem voters I just heard on the BBC were typical of the activists:



No you didn't, but more people voted Conservative than Lib Dem so even under PR the Conservatives would be the dominant party and have the 'right' to decide the PM. Get over it and don't be asses, you've a chance to get a good part of your agenda through and make real progress, even if it's not as much as you'd wish for

One person is hardly indicative of the entire support. Besides I would suggest he was arguing for no alliance at all, which I admit would be a waste, rather than him suggesting the Lib Dems should control everything.

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

EDIT: Likewise from the Tory point of view, they weren't given an overwhelming mandate and can either loosely govern or bite the bullet for the sake of the country, give ground, and give us a stable government sooner rather than later. At the moment what we need above all else is stability, which in my opinion only a Tory / Lib Dem coalition can give as the alternatives would be a mess.

Agreed. I would suggest a lot of Lib Dems voters went for Voting Reform and Civil Liberties, the latter already supported by the Tories. So give them for the former in return for support on the rest of the Tories policies.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Damien

One person is hardly indicative of the entire support. Besides I would suggest he was arguing for no alliance at all, which I admit would be a waste, rather than him suggesting the Lib Dems should control everything.

Agreed, hence use of 'activists' as opposed to supporters. The concern is that these are the people who tend to shout loudest, on both sides.

[speedfreak]

Sorry for the dumb question, but at this moment in time, whos actually running the country?