03-09-2021, 23:32
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Re: Coronavirus
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so the fact that only 2 kids in 1 million are likely to die from COVID.
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That’s not what they measured. This is fundamental to your misunderstanding of the subject matter. This is a measurement to date, based on a low number of infections, including lockdowns you are desperate to avoid.
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A sweeping generalisation
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Your one talent on the board I must say. No kids die, no kids get serve illness. Sorry folks, I didn’t mean to be so sweeping...
None of the rest of your post is fundamentally irrelevant because the crux is you do not fully understand the subject matter.
Your latest shift is that studies should only measure effects on “healthy” children, seemingly discarding the lives of those with underlying health conditions.
A new low in Pierre’s Coronavirus output.
While you are privileged enough to work from home what about those who rely on grandparents for childcare, should they risk exposure amid waning immunity?
Fundamentally you lose almost every single attempt at debating in the thread. You fail to consider the subject in a matter that isn’t entirely about you, who are at minimal risk anyway.
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04-09-2021, 00:30
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
No data, but if you can provide me data on less severe illness ( which is very much a vague term) or long Covid (equally vague) in kids, we can talk about it.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimam...director-says/
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The data presented by Walensky follows a record-breaking month for coronavirus-linked child hospitalizations in the U.S. The average number of children admitted to hospitals every day with Covid-19 was 330 between August 20 and August 26, a new record, according to the CDC. This follows multiple other records set during the month. The surge is being driven by an exponential increase in the number of cases reported among children, Walensky said Thursday, emphasizing that research so far shows “there is not increased disease severity in children” associated with the hyper infectious delta variant.
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12-09-2021, 12:39
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Re: Coronavirus
England Vaccine Passport Scheme Dropped
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58535258
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12-09-2021, 19:49
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Re: Coronavirus
Common sense at last. Better late than never!
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12-09-2021, 20:10
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Re: Coronavirus
Not the victory you were looking for OB.
The idea is to make it a way to keep unvaccinated people apart from those who are vaccinated (and not susceptible to Covid).
Experience in the UK is that people who are double vaccinated are catching Covid, ending up in hospital and dying. Therefore vaccine passports don't have the use case they once did - to split the two populations.
In practice if Covid is till out there, people are still getting it and still dying in significant enough numbers it's back to the old restrictions unless the numbers come down. Boris is coming out to break the bad news this week.
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12-09-2021, 20:22
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Re: Coronavirus
The PM will be concentrating on vaccinations rather than restrictions, and the requirement for PCR tests for people returning from amber list countries will be ditched. The amber list itself will be ditched.
No more masks, no more social distancing. It’s all good.
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12-09-2021, 20:25
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
The PM will be concentrating on vaccinations rather than restrictions, and the requirement for PCR tests for people returning from amber list countries will be ditched. The amber list itself will be ditched.
No more masks, no more social distancing. It’s all good.
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Let's wait and see, OB. I sense your optimism will once again be disappointed. Every metric going is in the wrong direction - in Scotland where the schools went back a month ago more than anywhere else.
There's a crystal ball into England's near future. Hospitals at breaking point. And it's not even cold outside.
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12-09-2021, 20:50
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
Let's wait and see, OB. I sense your optimism will once again be disappointed. Every metric going is in the wrong direction - in Scotland where the schools went back a month ago more than anywhere else.
There's a crystal ball into England's near future. Hospitals at breaking point. And it's not even cold outside.
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Where's the evidence, my friend? I can't find it.
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12-09-2021, 20:56
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Re: Coronavirus
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Where's the evidence, my friend? I can't find it.
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In the past month i have been to
Grimsby hospital -empty
hull royal - empty
hull castle hill -empty
Beverly - empty
Goole - empty
these places are deserted the wards are covered in dust sheets.
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12-09-2021, 22:14
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Re: Coronavirus
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Where's the evidence, my friend? I can't find it.
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There's a couple of hospitals declaring emergency situations. Stories of drafting the army in to help in Scotland.
These may be exceptional circumstances, however as we all know I don't do exceptionalism so all things being equal these are inevitable elsewhere. Oddly European cases don't seem to be going the same way and (albeit, it's only CNN) America claim the vast majority of deaths and hospitalisations (according to the CDC) are in the unvaccinated. Not a statement I think PHE could make.
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12-09-2021, 22:19
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
In the past month i have been to
Grimsby hospital -empty
hull royal - empty
hull castle hill -empty
Beverly - empty
Goole - empty
these places are deserted the wards are covered in dust sheets.
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https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news...-weeks-5896290
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Seven Hull deaths in two weeks as Covid toll continues to rise
Seven people have died with Covid-19 in Hull hospitals in the space of just two weeks.
The spike in Covid deaths between August 27 and September 8 comes as case numbers climb in both Hull and East Riding.
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https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news...normal-5905872
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Rise in Covid deaths
In August there were 27 deaths. For context, there were just nine Covid deaths in Hull’s hospitals in the whole of July and just two deaths in May and June combined.
So far, in September there have been ten deaths with the weekend figures not out until later on Monday...
… There are now 74 Covid patients at either Hull Royal Infirmary or Castle Hill Hospital with six needing mechanical ventilation.
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https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/n...ricted-5822161
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Visiting restrictions at Grimsby hospital are being extended due to the number of Covid patients.
People will only be able to visit patients in exceptional circumstances under the rules.
The suspension was introduced on Friday, and hospital bosses made the decision to extend it today, Monday August 23.
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12-09-2021, 23:13
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Re: Coronavirus
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Let's wait and see, OB. I sense your optimism will once again be disappointed. Every metric going is in the wrong direction - in Scotland where the schools went back a month ago more than anywhere else.
There's a crystal ball into England's near future. Hospitals at breaking point. And it's not even cold outside.
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Didn’t somebody once say it wasn’t a seasonal virus like flu and could strike at any time of the year?
The point is, we have 90% of adults vaccinated. This virus is no longer the extreme danger it once was. We are just going to have to live with it.
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12-09-2021, 23:17
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Re: Coronavirus
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Didn’t somebody once say it wasn’t a seasonal virus like flu and could strike at any time of the year?
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Probably you.
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The point is, we have 90% of adults vaccinated. This virus is no longer the extreme danger it once was. We are just going to have to live with it.
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Speculative. Hence the world leaders in vaccination rushing out both boosters and teenagers. And here we are. Behavioural scientists not making decisions it's almost as if it's driven by supply chains than science.
I'm now of the opinion another lockdown is inevitable because of these delays. Showing a bit of paper to get into a pub will seem dreamy.
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12-09-2021, 23:45
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Re: Coronavirus
I see paranoia is still alive and ticking.
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12-09-2021, 23:55
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Re: Coronavirus
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I see paranoia is still alive and ticking.
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We can only wait and see what happens. Cross fingers, clap at 8pm on Thursdays, but the crushing reality will likely bring everyone back to the inevitable.
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