02-09-2021, 22:13
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
To be honest I think you’re giving too much weight to the idea that Pierre is using a considered approach to his posts, rather than doing so with the sole objective of being contrary or controversial.
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A pot and kettle spring to mind ....
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02-09-2021, 22:39
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#7127
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Paul
A pot and kettle spring to mind ....
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To be honest, jfman's views on Coronavirus are pretty mainstream and in line with WHO, HMG etc.
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02-09-2021, 23:18
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#7128
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
To be honest, jfman's views on Coronavirus are pretty mainstream and in line with WHO, HMG etc.
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In other threads I may have made the odd contrary post. I'll hold my hands up.
---------- Post added at 23:18 ---------- Previous post was at 22:49 ----------
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Originally Posted by Damien
At this point, I think it's worth looking at the vaccine as a head start of getting COVID to reach endemic status as opposed to pandemic status. It's not going away and it's likely we'll all get it at some point.
When we do get it however we'll all be in a better position to cope with it. Fewer people will get symptoms, of those that do fewer will have it badly or get long COVID, of those that do fewer will be hospitalised and of those who are fewer still will die. Once you've had a natural infection and the vaccine the immunity levels will be even higher. COVID will be endemic.
We can't get rid of it so the question around any further restrictions will have to be what does this gain us? If it's just a delay then what's the point? The only justification is to act as a brake on hospitalisations if the numbers spike at the same time as flu season. Even then the Government will need a good argument as to why this would be 'one last push' and why they'll be better prepared for Winter 2022.
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It's always been my stance that lockdown represents the emergency brake because things have got out of control. While the vaccine is having positive outcomes, there's still 1000 (and rising) people on ventilators as we sit here today. That doesn't just have an impact on Covid - that has wider healthcare implications.
Buying time isn't solely a delay for the sake of it - better treatments emerge, booster vaccines emerge. We've got 35 million Pfizer vaccines ordered for next Autumn, however it's clear that longer term vaccines have to match the variants out there in reality. Vaccination against the variant we had two variants ago is never going to adequately resolve the issue.
Some of those who subscribe to the idea that Covid leaked from a lab draw parallels between the "partially vaccinated" and gain-of-function research.
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02-09-2021, 23:31
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
To be honest, jfman's views on Coronavirus are pretty mainstream and in line with WHO, HMG etc.
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Are you going to get that room or not?
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02-09-2021, 23:43
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Are you going to get that room or not?
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Put down the beer Pierre. Come back tomorrow morning and hope you have a better day in the thread on a subject you don’t care about, debating with people that you don’t care what they think.
I mean it’s unlikely. However the pandemic was unlikely so why not roll the dice…
Speak to you then no doubt!
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03-09-2021, 02:11
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#7131
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Re: Coronavirus
Apparently there is a new variant, MU variant, apparently it's potentially vaccine resistant
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03-09-2021, 02:21
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Apparently there is a new variant, MU variant, apparently it's potentially vaccine resistant
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oooh quick, close the ports and airports, stop the ferries and close the channel tunnel, and no more refugees from . . . oh damn, too late again
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03-09-2021, 08:33
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Apparently there is a new variant, MU variant, apparently it's potentially vaccine resistant
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The Greek Alphabet. One lesson learned from Covid 19.
Here's a bit more information on the new variant. Its potentally greater resistance to vaccines needs more investigation, advises WHO.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1912373.html
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03-09-2021, 08:41
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Are you going to get that room or not?
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honeymoon suite?
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03-09-2021, 08:49
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#7135
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Are you going to get that room or not?
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honeymoon suite?
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That's an offer you can't refuse, Pierre. Just remember to wear your mask on your way there.
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03-09-2021, 11:01
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
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If I might highlight a couple of facts:
- WHO has classed it a variant of interest. It is not a variant of concern at this time.
- There are five variants of interest at present so the classification of Mu in this way is not a cause for fevered speculation or alarm, any more than was the case with Eta, Iota, Kappa or Lambda (two of which were designated as long ago as last March). All five of these variants were first identified last year.
- Studies will establish *if* it is vaccine resistant. The conducting of studies is not a reason to over-emphasise the possibility of vaccine resistance. Lurid headlines are best left to the Press.
The discovery and classification dates of all nine major covid variants are worth bearing in mind, to try to keep this in perspective. There’s lots of info here:
https://www.who.int/en/activities/tr...oV-2-variants/
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03-09-2021, 11:38
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Re: Coronavirus
Much like the delay in declaring a pandemic as Covid was only rife on five continents it appears that a VOI could exhibit very concerning characterises but WHO bureaucracy would delay ringing the alarm bell.
This is the organisation that denied airborne transmission for the best part of 18 months.
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03-09-2021, 11:48
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Re: Coronavirus
As if by magic, Job’s comforter pops up to assure us that, despite previous failures to appear, hell’s handcart will arrive shortly at platform 13 …
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03-09-2021, 11:59
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Re: Coronavirus
You’d have a point if any of my statement was incorrect or exaggerated. My atrocious spelling of characteristics aside (damn autocorrect), the points are valid.
The WHO as an organisation have probably done more to harm public health than any organisation, perhaps with the exception of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, in the last two years.
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03-09-2021, 12:02
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
You’d have a point if any of my statement was incorrect or exaggerated. My atrocious spelling of characteristics aside (damn autocorrect), the points are valid.
The WHO as an organisation have probably done more to harm public health than any organisation, perhaps with the exception of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, in the last two years.
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With no due respect the world and WHO have had to deal with an organism that they had no previous experience of. I think we did pretty well under the circumstance.
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