02-09-2021, 09:40
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Re: Coronavirus
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Essentially the straw which he is, without much dignity, clutching to is that the 207 reported didn’t necessarily die the day before. Or in a 24 hour window at all.
The same point has been made throughout yet that doesn’t change the fact they are dead, and there have always been anomalies in reporting around weekends and public holidays.
It seems a waste of all that privilege Pierre has to use it up with such pedantry in a lame, failed attempt at outwitting us minions. Yet here we are.
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By this stage in the year, we have had other bank holidays to compare such results to so if that's the highest total so far, and it's significantly higher, then something is going on.
But assuming for one moment the article was misleading, using one article to condemn all mainstream media is illogical and contradicts the advice to not judge a book on what the author has previously written.
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02-09-2021, 10:42
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
By this stage in the year, we have had other bank holidays to compare such results to so if that's the highest total so far, and it's significantly higher, then something is going on.
But assuming for one moment the article was misleading, using one article to condemn all mainstream media is illogical and contradicts the advice to not judge a book on what the author has previously written.
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To be honest I think you’re giving too much weight to the idea that Pierre is using a considered approach to his posts, rather than doing so with the sole objective of being contrary or controversial.
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02-09-2021, 11:40
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
you've failed to explain why the article is wrong.
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The article clearly is trying to put forward the narrative that there has been a massive increase in deaths. When there hasn't it is just due to the lumpy nature of the stats being recorded over several days of a bank holiday. Where death actually fell over the period, not increased.
I though that was obvious.
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Originally Posted by jfman
To be honest I think you’re giving too much weight to the idea that Pierre is using a considered approach to his posts, rather than doing so with the sole objective of being contrary or controversial.
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Are you two going to stop dancing around the tension between you and just get a room already.
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02-09-2021, 12:19
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
The article clearly is trying to put forward the narrative that there has been a massive increase in deaths. When there hasn't it is just due to the lumpy nature of the stats being recorded over several days of a bank holiday. Where death actually fell over the period, not increased.
I though that was obvious.
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Surely a written piece either puts forward a narrative or it doesn’t.
The subtitle says that deaths have been steadily rising since June - something that is clearly demonstrably true. I appreciate the truth is uncomfortable for you, and that as you tell us so often you don’t care that might leave your attention to detail lacking.
I find it’s often helpful to read articles, rather than to forward my pre-conceived, persistently proven wrong narratives because despite all my self-styled privilege I’m bored.
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Are you two going to stop dancing around the tension between you and just get a room already.
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Another valuable contribution to the thread.
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02-09-2021, 12:20
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Re: Coronavirus
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Are you two going to stop dancing around the tension between you and just get a room already.
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They remind me of any program featuring Ant & Dec . . . where the adverts have more content than the show itself
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02-09-2021, 14:22
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Re: Coronavirus
Everytime I come on here I seem to miss about 10 pages of posts but somehow everyone is still arguing about the exact same things.
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02-09-2021, 18:18
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Damien
Everytime I come on here I seem to miss about 10 pages of posts but somehow everyone is still arguing about the exact same things.
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02-09-2021, 18:29
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Re: Coronavirus
So much for vaccinations being the solution.
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Israel has recorded its highest daily number of coronavirus cases with nearly 11,000 new infections, amid a surge caused by the highly transmissible Delta variant as schools prepare to re-open.
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About 60% of Israel’s 9.3 million residents have received two shots of the vaccine, including 80% of adults.
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Several measures have since been reimposed, including mask wearing indoors, limits on gatherings and the need to present proof of vaccination for entry to certain facilities.
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02-09-2021, 18:42
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Damien
Everytime I come on here I seem to miss about 10 pages of posts but somehow everyone is still arguing about the exact same things.
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Welcome back to the Brexit, sorry Coronavirus, thread.
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So much for vaccinations being the solution.
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Do you think a UK winter lockdown is likely then?
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02-09-2021, 18:56
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Damien
Everytime I come on here I seem to miss about 10 pages of posts but somehow everyone is still arguing about the exact same things.
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TBF if this was your first visit since 2004 you could say much the same thing.
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02-09-2021, 19:37
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Re: Coronavirus
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Do you think a UK winter lockdown is likely then?
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Says he, rubbing his hands with glee.
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02-09-2021, 19:42
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Welcome back to the Brexit, sorry Coronavirus, thread.
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Do you think a UK winter lockdown is likely then?
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I don't. But then Boris is U-turn Meister.
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02-09-2021, 19:43
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Says he, rubbing his hands with glee.
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I certainly don't want that, I love my Winter pubs with dark real ales and open fires.
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02-09-2021, 19:44
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Says he, rubbing his hands with glee.
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Nobody is gleeful about lockdown, OB. We all want a sustainable way out of this that supports both public health and the economy. Well, apart from two notable exceptions for whom public health comes a distant second.
It’d be helpful if you didn’t misrepresent the position of others - it’d avoid the circular discussion that Damien alludes to a few posts back where people have to unnecessarily restate their well known and established positions.
Last edited by jfman; 02-09-2021 at 20:15.
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02-09-2021, 20:27
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Remoaner
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Re: Coronavirus
At this point, I think it's worth looking at the vaccine as a head start of getting COVID to reach endemic status as opposed to pandemic status. It's not going away and it's likely we'll all get it at some point.
When we do get it however we'll all be in a better position to cope with it. Fewer people will get symptoms, of those that do fewer will have it badly or get long COVID, of those that do fewer will be hospitalised and of those who are fewer still will die. Once you've had a natural infection and the vaccine the immunity levels will be even higher. COVID will be endemic.
We can't get rid of it so the question around any further restrictions will have to be what does this gain us? If it's just a delay then what's the point? The only justification is to act as a brake on hospitalisations if the numbers spike at the same time as flu season. Even then the Government will need a good argument as to why this would be 'one last push' and why they'll be better prepared for Winter 2022.
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