Football Season 2010/2011 - Page 47

**Damien** · 31-10-2010, 00:31

To be fair to Spurs there is utter confusion over if they had been given the free kick or not. The whistle hadn't blown but the ref hadn't waved play on. Not sure if he didn't see it but the linesman did and seems to do little. Gomes should have picked it up but people make mistakes.

Mal · 31-10-2010, 00:44

It's the old adage, play to the whistle...

punky · 31-10-2010, 09:42

In all the confusion and the crowd noise (not least eminating from a penalty appeal) it's very easy for the whistle to be missed. When it was clear Gomes thought the whistle had gone Clattenberg should have said something. Nani clearly handled and just as clearly Clattenberg never played the advantage. There was never any advantage to play in the first place.

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Don't get me wrong, I thought that it was a goal, but to paraphrase Vic Reeves, they never let it lie...everytime we play them...it's 5 years now...

Come on, it's not just us. No visiting team ever gets a descision at OT. We just seem to get the most obvious descisions against us.

Even Jon Champion who has no great love for Spurs alluded that every year we inexplicable get so many descisions incorrectly against us.

Incidently, Ferguson still carries around his stopwatch doesn't he?

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Also I should point out as it has obviously escaped your notice that yesman (A Utd fan last time I looked) brought up the Mendes goal, not me. And then Jon Champion did, several times, before I did.

Arthurgray50@blu · 31-10-2010, 12:22

The biggest and major problem with officials is that there is no consistancy, the linesman flagged for an offence, which was the handball, but that idiot Clat, failed to see it, and therefore failed to take the nessersary action.

Nani should have been booked for delibarate handball, and the goal should have been disallowed.

It is not the first time that Liono Beck and Clattenburg have been involved in aggro involving Utd v Spurs, the biggest clanger was the goal that Spurs scored when the ball was 2 feet over the line, and the officials didn't see. What will happen now is that Harry will get heavily fined for having a go at the Ref.

Too me he should not be refing, due to problems he had last year in regards to his finances, any ref that goes to Utd get influenced, you only have the read the article from Graham Poll.

What should happen is that the FA should look at the footage of the game, and overrule the ref, and this has happen before.

Mal · 31-10-2010, 13:09

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Originally Posted by punky

In all the confusion and the crowd noise (not least eminating from a penalty appeal) it's very easy for the whistle to be missed. When it was clear Gomes thought the whistle had gone Clattenberg should have said something. Nani clearly handled and just as clearly Clattenberg never played the advantage. There was never any advantage to play in the first place.[COLOR="Silver"]

Strange how they can hear it other times...

Play to the whistle...

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Originally Posted by punky

Come on, it's not just us. No visiting team ever gets a descision at OT. We just seem to get the most obvious descisions against us.

Even Jon Champion who has no great love for Spurs alluded that every year we inexplicable get so many descisions incorrectly against us.

Incidently, Ferguson still carries around his stopwatch doesn't he?

Classic, that old chestnut

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Also I should point out as it has obviously escaped your notice that yesman (A Utd fan last time I looked) brought up the Mendes goal, not me. And then Jon Champion did, several times, before I did.

Also, I should point out as it has obviously escaped your notice that I didn't name you, unless you are the only the Spurs fan

Here's my post where I said commentators and fans...

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Somehow, I think this goal will be mentioned every year, like the Mendes "goal" by commentators and fans...

TheDaddy · 31-10-2010, 16:07

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Come on, it's not just us. No visiting team ever gets a descision at OT. We just seem to get the most obvious descisions against us.

Would that be drawn out by the was Modric was booked for appealing but Rio Ferdinand was allowed to become part of a three way conversation with Ref and linesman.

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I was at the Arsenal game and I have to ask; How on earth are West Ham in the regulation zone? Fair enough Arsenal were not really on their game today but still! It was an impressive performance, especially from Rob Green, they will have no trouble if they play like that. Only negative note was the fans singing 'Sit down you Pedo' to Wenger. I thought Spurs/United were the last teams to cut that out.

Have been playing well most of the season....

Uncle Peter · 31-10-2010, 18:06

Nearly 90 minutes of my life wasted watching that but good result in the end and some mildly entertaining stufff:

Gerrard wearing "special" boots planted by Agent Hodgson to prevent shots on target

Bolton main threat via hoof balls to WWE superstar Kevin Davies

Second half - tubby midfielder Joe Cole's leg falls off

Johan Elmander substituted after 81 minutes throwing toys out of cot by winner in Igor Biscan lookalike competition in last weeks Bolton matchday programme

86 minutes Maxi "Pele" Rodriguez places the ball in the onion bag from exquisite Torres backheel

88 minutes Hodgson tries to bring Christian Poulsen out of cryogenic suspension, fails but brings him on anyway

FT - the big Greek goes to spark the Bolton mascot but decides to shake hands instead

31-10-2010, 18:34

Yes, 90 minutes of my time wasted also.
I refuse to watch another game when Bolton are playing, especially when Kevin Davies is in on the pitch, I lost count of how many times he went over and conned the ref.

Never again

losdev · 31-10-2010, 21:22

Just thought I would throw in my two penneth if that is OK guys...

1 Spurs at Man Utd. Again another dodgy decision against Spurs up there. This one is very simple, poor reffing without a doubt. No whistle NOR clear indication as to play on just a simple shrug of the shoulders???? Schoolboy stuff, even the park refs clearly wave play on OR blow the whistle.

2 West Ham...results keep you up not how well you play but lose. Would be a shame to see you relegated. You know I mean that most sincerely...COYS

3 Bolton Vs Liverpool was your average fair for a 6 pointer relegation dog fight. No skill, no desire and no hope of achieving anything this year.

Happy Days, bring on the Inter

Arthurgray50@blu · 01-11-2010, 13:45

What ever team go to MU, you are not going to get the result, all officials are scared stiff of Fergie, and if l am not wrong last season, the cameras were on Fergie seen talking to the 4th official, and seconds later up pooped 5 mins added time, and the oppostion manager is lipped read to say ' where did the 5 minutes come from' and clearly Fergie was smiling, and what happens, United get the winner.

I don't scare what anyone says, Fergie clearly has some say with the officials,.

Pog66 · 01-11-2010, 14:10

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

The biggest and major problem with officials is that there is no consistancy, the linesman flagged for an offence, which was the handball.

Actually I don't think the linesman flagged until after the goal had been scored & the Spurs players started protesting.

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Nani should have been booked for delibarate handball, and the goal should have been disallowed.

Agree Nani should have been booked but ref was playing the advantage - therefore Gomes must take some of the blame

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you only have the read the article from Graham Poll.

Link..?.

<EDIT> Have found Graham Poll's comments...interesting read (despite it being the Daily Mail)

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What should happen is that the FA should look at the footage of the game, and overrule the ref, and this has happen before.

Okay 1-0 to United. Also interested as to when a goal has been restrospectively disallowed. Perhaps a link or two....

Media Boy UK · 01-11-2010, 14:55

Dundee Football Club have been deducted 25 points by the Scottish Football League for going into administration.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ee/9146206.stm

TheDaddy · 01-11-2010, 15:03

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Okay 1-0 to United. Also interested as to when a goal has been restrospectively disallowed. Perhaps a link or two....

The ref can disallow anything right up until he restarts the game plus if your going to play advantage you have a few seconds to see if there actually is one

Rather than stopping play, the referee may allow play to continue if doing so will benefit the team against which an offence has been committed. This is known as "playing an advantage". The referee may "call back" play and penalise the original offence if the anticipated advantage does not ensue within a short period

Arthurgray50@blu · 01-11-2010, 15:15

Firstly the United player should have been booked for the deliberate handball, and IF there was a foul in the box, why didn't the referee give a penalty.

The referee was disgrace, the linesman flagged for the handleball, but the ref, overuled and allowed play to go on WITHOUT telling the keeper.

It has been rumoured that the ref will be taken off the prem list as a punishment for the way he controlled the game.

A ref can play the advantage, BUT he must clearly indicate this to both sides.

punky · 01-11-2010, 15:38

Firstly, advantage wasn't played because the ref did n't signal for it. The gesture for playing is two parallel arms. He never gave it. In that instance Nani handballed it and is not a legitmate goal however you look at it.

Secondly when there was confusion as Gomes obviously was when he looked at the ref, the ref should have clarified what his descision was be it playing advantage or free kick. He just shrugged his.shoulders.

Finally, what benefit did we gain from this mythical advantage? We conceeded. If we were playing advantage then the ref should have brought play back.

It was a complete shambles at reffing. Even if we got the goal diaallowed it doesn't take into account we were plsying for a draw in an open game when this shambles happened it killed the match. Much like the phantom penalty descision did last year.