Coronavirus

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I should imagine the other vaccine producers are doing the same.

I would imagine so, too. However the AstraZeneca press release I found indicated they were still catching up with effectiveness against Beta, not Delta.

https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-ce...accinated.html

This of course is the inherent risk of living with the virus that it mutates faster than the vaccines can keep up.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I’m still considering whether I trust Pfizer, but there are no worrying ill effects yet.

I’m sure you’ll be fine, OB. Worst case you catch Covid and get mild symptoms.

Originally Posted by Mr K

130 000 in the UK haven't survived from Covid. Our worst loss of civilian life since WW2.

What utter nonsense, the flu, cancer, heart attacks etc etc has killed millions since WW2, as have countless other illnesses.

Cancer kills over 160,000 people per year.

Heart disease killed about 63,000 in 2019, and that was the lowest this century, in 2000, the figure was around 168,000.

The flu has averaged 5000 deaths per year since 2000, when it killed 22,000 with further spikes in 2009 and 2015, which killed around 19,000.

Covid is not going to kill another 130,000 a year, it only managed that because we had zero immunity, thats simply no longer the case.

Its now reduced to being like a bad flu year - so remind me, which previous bad flu years did we wear masks, work from home etc ?

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The scientists are looking at whether those who have had the AZ vaccines would benefit from the Pfizer booster and vice versa. I’m still considering whether I trust Pfizer, but there are no worrying ill effects yet.

Myself and my middle daughter had pfizer - zero effects.
My wife had AZ, no effects, my youngest also had it, and felt "off" for a day.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Paul

What utter nonsense, the flu, cancer, heart attacks etc etc has killed millions since WW2, as have countless other illnesses.

Cancer kills over 160,000 people per year.

Heart disease killed about 63,000 in 2019, and that was the lowest this century, in 2000, the figure was around 168,000.

The flu has averaged 5000 deaths per year since 2000, when it killed 22,000 with further spikes in 2009 and 2015, which killed around 19,000.

Covid is not going to kill another 130,000 a year, it only managed that because we had zero immunity, thats simply no longer the case.

Its now reduced to being like a bad flu year - so remind me, which previous bad flu years did we wear masks, work from home etc ?

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Myself and my middle daughter had pfizer - zero effects.
My wife had AZ, no effects, my youngest also had it, and felt "off" for a day.

I honestly can't fathom why you keep taking on MrK. Doesn't matter what you say he'll still keep coning out with absolute crap!

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I honestly can't fathom why you keep taking on MrK. Doesn't matter what you say he'll still keep coning out with absolute crap!

Pots and kettles spring to mind.

It’s not yet clear what Covid deaths would level off at with uncontrolled spread as suggested by Paul. I’d hazard a guess with over 100 deaths a day in August with mitigations like masks, working from home, etc that it would be worse than the worst flu years. We might not see the same deaths as the last 17 months but that’s an extremely low bar for success. And that’s based on current variants - that could change too.

Cancer and heart attacks aren’t contagious, either.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Cancer and heart attacks aren’t contagious, either.

Typical trope.

Ban cigarettes, Ban alcohol, Ban processed foods, Ban sugary drinks, enforce exercise

Protect the NHS

Save lives.

Strange - none of those things are actually happening.

Almost as if you were putting forward a strawman argument...

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Typical trope.

Ban cigarettes, Ban alcohol, Ban processed foods, Ban sugary drinks, enforce exercise

Protect the NHS

Save lives.

which leads on....

Raise income tax, decrease cap gains threshold, repeat for many other taxes

Save the treasury......

[Carth]

Smoking is now (and has been for a while) banned from indoor areas and some outdoor areas.

Alcohol is banned from being consumed in many outdoor areas, and strangely enough, the smoking ban has had the effect of closing many pubs down . . or requiring them to become 'restaurants' in order to remain viable as a business.

Sugary drinks (and foods) are now attracting higher taxation rates, sugar also being replaced by 'substitutes' that may be worse than sugar itself.

Processed foods . . . here to stay I'm afraid, no matter what the health experts say. Drive through and home deliveries mean you now don't need to leave your car seat/sofa to get it either, so that's exercise out of the window too.

[Sephiroth]

So: The dog's dead and the cat has shat itself.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Strange - none of those things are actually happening.

Almost as if you were putting forward a strawman argument...

Pierre? never!

It’s either that, insulting people who were furloughed or a sociopathic disregard for human life that he deems unworthy. We’ve rolled the dice I wonder which Pierre we get today?

For someone who is past covid, doesn’t care any more etc. he certainly spends a lot of time in the thread frothing at the mouth over it. Second only in the post count to myself.

Originally Posted by Carth

Smoking is now (and has been for a while) banned from indoor areas and some outdoor areas.

Alcohol is banned from being consumed in many outdoor areas, and strangely enough, the smoking ban has had the effect of closing many pubs down . . or requiring them to become 'restaurants' in order to remain viable as a business.

Sugary drinks (and foods) are now attracting higher taxation rates, sugar also being replaced by 'substitutes' that may be worse than sugar itself.

Processed foods . . . here to stay I'm afraid, no matter what the health experts say. Drive through and home deliveries mean you now don't need to leave your car seat/sofa to get it either, so that's exercise out of the window too.

Restrict ≠ ban…

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

So: The dog's dead and the cat has shat itself.

Not only that, the Bats have escaped from the belfry

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Restrict ≠ ban…

You're getting confused between driving at 40 in a 30, and lighting a ciggy in a council meeting

[joglynne]

Originally Posted by Carth

Not only that, the Bats have escaped from the belfry

Whose batty belfry are we talking about?

Just asking for a friend.

Sorry Mods., I accept a virtual reprimand I couldn't resist as it's not often this thread makes me smile.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by joglynne

Whose batty belfry are we talking about?

Just asking for a friend.

Sorry Mods., I accept a virtual reprimand I couldn't resist as it's not often this thread makes me smile.

Don't apologise in advance to the Mods! The Bats prolly started the pandemic in the first place.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Strange - none of those things are actually happening.

Almost as if you were putting forward a strawman argument...

My point being that although the cancer & heart disease are not "infectious", It doesn't mean that the attitude taken against COVID could not be taken in combating other illnesses and reducing strain on the NHS.

But they don't.

We've just spent 18months throwing money hand over fist at an illness that still when all said and done is a mild infection for the vast majority of people.

A death rate of 2% (and that's from the known recorded positive tests) the death rate is probably much lower than that)

So if they don't do it for other illnesses, then why continue for COVID?

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Originally Posted by jfman

Pierre? never!

It’s either that, insulting people who were furloughed or a sociopathic disregard for human life that he deems unworthy. We’ve rolled the dice I wonder which Pierre we get today?

you're in no position to critique anyone. You always get Pierre. I think I'm consistent.

For someone who is past covid, doesn’t care any more etc. he certainly spends a lot of time in the thread frothing at the mouth over it. Second only in the post count to myself.

Stalker alert.