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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
Except for the ones she didn't.....
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02-01-2011, 19:16
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
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Except for the ones she didn't.....
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as for the others i like to think she mothballed them for the future 
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02-01-2011, 19:17
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
To keep the foxes in, so they would be safe.....
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02-01-2011, 21:11
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
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02-01-2011, 21:17
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
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Except for the ones she didn't.....
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Are we counting open caste ones as they were not targeted.
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03-01-2011, 05:45
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
A giant fox, that is twice the size of a normal specimen, has been captured in Kent, sparking fears that the animals are growing larger because of ‘easy living’ on bins and scraps.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/ear...Maidstone.html
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03-01-2011, 09:20
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
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as for the others i like to think she mothballed them for the future |
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03-01-2011, 09:26
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
Subject is fox hunting and I think we have been sidetracked enough.
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03-01-2011, 13:06
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
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So i was correct ,a random remark with no basis in fact
All the facts prove that hunting is enjoyed by people from all walks of life more so since the ban ,so it is no longer a sport solely for the upper classes ,if it was before
more foxes are being killed ,so the pest control aspect is being satisfied better than before the ban
employement in the hunting industry has remained at the same level or in some cases a slight up turn
In short the hunting industry is doing better now than before the ban
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Would you care to back up any of what you have said with some "factual data", especially on the economic fortunes of the fox hunting industry?
You'll forgive me, if I don't take your word for it?
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03-01-2011, 13:15
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
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Would you care to back up any of what you have said with some "factual data", especially on the economic fortunes of the fox hunting industry?
You'll forgive me, if I don't take your word for it?
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you wont have to if you read the previous posts
i've already posted the data it is here http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/researc...2010/12310.pdf
found in post #640
for evidence of more foxes being killed then you read Chris' post #631
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03-01-2011, 13:22
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
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Which is a shame as I'd have liked to have read what the Northern Ireland assembly found, and whether it applied to all of the UK.
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03-01-2011, 13:27
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
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broken link
Which is a shame as I'd have liked to have read what the Northern Ireland assembly found, and whether it applied to all of the UK.
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i'll find it again and repost as it does serve to dispel a few myths and seems the most unbiased info i can find ,as i refuse to go to antihunt sites for obvious reasons
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http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/researc...2010/12310.pdf
there you go
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03-01-2011, 13:28
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
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broken link
Which is a shame as I'd have liked to have read what the Northern Ireland assembly found, and whether it applied to all of the UK.
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i'll find it again and repost as it does serve to dispel a few myths and seems the most unbiased info i can find ,as i refuse to go to antihunt sites for obvious reasons
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http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/researc...2010/12310.pdf
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try this
http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/researc...2010/12310.pdf
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04-01-2011, 08:59
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
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Originally Posted by martyh
i'll find it again and repost as it does serve to dispel a few myths and seems the most unbiased info i can find ,as i refuse to go to antihunt sites for obvious reasons
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http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/researc...2010/12310.pdf
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Not the greatest piece of research.
As the basis for most of the information in this report are articles from the BBC website, telegraph and guardian and not from official sources.
The only credible source is the burns report.
Anyway the overwhelming impression that this report gives is that hunts are carrying on as normal killing as many foxes as they did before the ban, which heralds the question, Why have a ban in the first place?
It's plainly obvious that it is not being enforced, which just backs up my view that the ban was brought in as a smite against a certain class, to show a little muscle, and in reality the government don't really care about the welfare of the fox as they and the police are quite happy to let the practice continue.
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04-01-2011, 09:09
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
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Not the greatest piece of research.
As the basis for most of the information in this report are articles from the BBC website, telegraph and guardian and not from official sources.
The only credible source is the burns report.
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The Burns report was produced before the ban. It is hardly a definitive study of how the hunting industry has fared since the act.
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Anyway the overwhelming impression that this report gives is that hunts are carrying on as normal killing as many foxes as they did before the ban, which heralds the question, Why have a ban in the first place?
It's plainly obvious that it is not being enforced, which just backs up my view that the ban was brought in as a smite against a certain class, to show a little muscle, and in reality the government don't really care about the welfare of the fox as they and the police are quite happy to let the practice continue.
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I think you have your contexts mixed up. The number of foxes being killed is not an indication of the method. In fact, more foxes are being killed by shooting, than by dogs. You are right though, that in the majority of cases the act is not being enforced. That is not the fault of the act itself, but by the lack of priority to which the various police forces around the UK place on its enforcement. That is caused by, in some part, a conflict of interest in some senior police officers. Around here, the local Chief Superintendent is a senior member of the hunt, there has been suggestions that the police ignore their behaviour because of his involvement. Nonetheless, any failures on the police's behalf is not any reason to ignore the law and does not make the Hunting Act wrong.
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