27-07-2021, 12:58
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Re: Coronavirus
I believe that is the plan, Andrew.
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27-07-2021, 13:05
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
We need to help ensure the rest of the world is vaccinated to prevent more variants emerging.
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What will we threaten them with if they don't want the vaccine
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27-07-2021, 13:06
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
We need to help ensure the rest of the world is vaccinated to prevent more variants emerging.
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Where would you start? India, The middle East, USA, South America, Australia?
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27-07-2021, 13:20
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Carth
Where would you start? India, The middle East, USA, South America, Australia?
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Probably India. US is pretty sorted out except for its refuseniks. Australia will hopefully come round but has a relatively small population. Middle East and South America are variable.
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27-07-2021, 13:23
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Re: Coronavirus
If ONS prevalence surveys have less than 2% of the population having Covid at any given time it’s clear misrepresentation by the Telegraph to imply large numbers of people are going into hospital for non-Covid related reasons then catching Covid.
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27-07-2021, 13:35
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
If ONS prevalence surveys have less than 2% of the population having Covid at any given time it’s clear misrepresentation by the Telegraph to imply large numbers of people are going into hospital for non-Covid related reasons then catching Covid.
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An NHS spokesman said: "Many patients are admitted to hospital because of their Covid symptoms and complications, which are then confirmed with a post-admission Covid test, and for others they may initially be presymptomatic or asymptomatic."
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"suggest/suggested" in that article was used deliberately, hoping that readers would interpret it as “probable", rather than "something to consider"…
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27-07-2021, 14:20
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Re: Coronavirus
Well it ticked a lot of boxes on the bullshit bingo card for me.
Comedy Carl Hengehan, Telegraph, Graham Brady.
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27-07-2021, 14:56
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
Well it ticked a lot of boxes on the bullshit bingo card for me.
Comedy Carl Hengehan, Telegraph, Graham Brady.
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Not necessarily catching covid in hospital, but quite possibly not suffering badly enough with covid to be hospitalised by it. It looks like asymptotic or mildly symptomatic people attending because of other illnesses or accidents are being recorded as if they are in hospital because of covid, resulting in an over-reporting of the hospitalisation rate in the present phase of the pandemic. I’m not convinced they’re seriously suggesting it’s a hospital acquired infection. The incubation period is AFAIK too long for that to be possible in many cases.
To be honest I can understand why HMG may be prepared to tolerate over-reporting at this point. I’m sure you’d be at the front of the queue handing out rotten fruit to chuck at them if there was even a whiff of under-reporting in the data. El Gov is well aware that there is going to be a public enquiry after all this and while it might not report until after the 2024 election, it will most likely compile and publish far more solid statistics well before then. It won’t do their electoral prospects any harm at all if the headlines are all about how it was never as bad as it seemed at the time.
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27-07-2021, 15:25
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Re: Coronavirus
I think the phrase "never as bad as it seemed" could well be trotted out eventually, but only by those who 'luckily' don't live in large cities and/or areas that had bad outbreaks.
Although there have been deaths and serious illness in my locale, it seems to have given a wide berth to family, friends and acquaintances.
In larger more populated areas it has sadly been an absolute nightmare for many.
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27-07-2021, 15:39
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Chris
Not necessarily catching covid in hospital, but quite possibly not suffering badly enough with covid to be hospitalised by it. It looks like asymptotic or mildly symptomatic people attending because of other illnesses or accidents are being recorded as if they are in hospital because of covid, resulting in an over-reporting of the hospitalisation rate in the present phase of the pandemic. I’m not convinced they’re seriously suggesting it’s a hospital acquired infection. The incubation period is AFAIK too long for that to be possible in many cases.
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The “over-reporting” would be permanent in all phases of the pandemic based on prevalence within society. It’s not unique to now.
Of course redefining what we count as a covid case at this stage might be beneficial to a Government seeking positive headlines by changing the figures so they cease to be comparable, just as it is to all the Heneghan’s of the world who have sought to downplay the pandemic from the very beginning.
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To be honest I can understand why HMG may be prepared to tolerate over-reporting at this point. I’m sure you’d be at the front of the queue handing out rotten fruit to chuck at them if there was even a whiff of under-reporting in the data. El Gov is well aware that there is going to be a public enquiry after all this and while it might not report until after the 2024 election, it will most likely compile and publish far more solid statistics well before then. It won’t do their electoral prospects any harm at all if the headlines are all about how it was never as bad as it seemed at the time.
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Just as you’d be at the front of the queue to defend them if/when they change the definition. There’s no way the definition will stick if the modelling is for millions of infections through Autumn/Winter.
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27-07-2021, 16:32
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Re: Coronavirus
I'm sure we're all well aware of the times analytic & statistical 'modelling' has thrown frightening figures at us for infections, serious illness, deaths, a fractured economy, no food on the shelves etc etc.
Quite possibly 'Worst Case Scenario' has played a part in this, which is probably better than speculating on a Best Case Scenario and being hit in the goolies by people moaning they weren't warned.
Just my opinion of course
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27-07-2021, 19:22
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Re: Coronavirus
I think we need to note what has been revealed but should keep reporting as is. This would provide stability in the assessment of trends.
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27-07-2021, 19:40
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Probably India. US is pretty sorted out except for its refuseniks. Australia will hopefully come round but has a relatively small population. Middle East and South America are variable.
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Why start in India or even consider it at all? It doesn't need assistance from us, there are many more countries in more need. India is well placed to look after it's own population without help.
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India's government is promising to vaccinate the whole of the adult population by the end of 2021, although its biggest vaccine maker has been struggling to meet demand.
The government aims to ramp up vaccine production, with a pledge to produce at least two billion doses between August and December this year.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-55571793
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27-07-2021, 21:07
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Re: Coronavirus
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Because the UK would like a trade deal with India, and helping with vaxs would be a positive diplomatic move.
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28-07-2021, 00:38
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Because the UK would like a trade deal with India, and helping with vaxs would be a positive diplomatic move.
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Except they need no help with vax's. They are quite self sufficient in that regard.
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