Brexit (Old)

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

A valid reason for No "Peoples vote".

I agree. I’d just let Philip Hammond decide.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by pip08456

A valid reason for No "Peoples vote".

mmm because this entire process has had no input from 'the people' whatsoever has it now?

Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: Meaningful vote round 2 on Jan 29th. Source: BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg

As predicted, the government has obeyed the letter of the Grieve Amendment and agreed to put its plan B to Parliament within 3 days ... but as the amendment didn’t specify that it needed to be a fully worked solution to be voted on immediately, it won’t be. The government will take a further 8 days before plan B is voted on, *if* there is anything to be voted on at that time.

Leadsom 1, Grieve/Bercow 0.

The government has also taken the precaution of declining to introduce anything else to Parliament over the next week that could be amended by mischievous remainers.

The gloves are off.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

mmm because this entire process has had no input from 'the people' whatsoever has it now?

They've had their say, now its up to the politicians to make a pigs ear of it as is normally the case.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by pip08456

They've had their say, no its up to the politicians to make a pigs ear of it as is normally the case.

So your original post is invalid, thanks for the confirmation.

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Originally Posted by Chris

As predicted, the government has obeyed the letter of the Grieve Amendment and agreed to put its plan B to Parliament within 3 days ... but as the amendment didn’t specify that it needed to be a fully worked solution to be voted on immediately, it won’t be. The government will take a further 8 days before plan B is voted on, *if* there is anything to be voted on at that time.

Leadsom 1, Grieve/Bercow 0.

The government has also taken the precaution of declining to introduce anything else to Parliament over the next week that could be amended by mischievous remainers.

The gloves are off.

She's playing a very high stakes game of poker here. She's either a) incredibly clever or b) incredibly naive.

I'm flipping between the two, one thing though, she's got resilience.

[1andrew1]

Good summary from Macron. In essence, voters were offered something impossible by the Leave campaign and the politicians are struggling to implement it as it's impossible.

It's a referendum that has been manipulated, manipulated from outside by a lot of what we call fake news, where everything and anything was said, and now they are being told 'figure it out yourselves'. Result: it is not true. We (the Leave campaign) have lied to the people and what they (the public) have chosen is not possible. Good luck to the representatives of the nation who have to implement a thing which doesn't exist and explain to the people: 'you have voted on a thing, we lied to you. That's what they have to go through."

https://www.euronews.com/2019/01/16/...an-the-british

Macron has well and truly drunk the EU Kool-Aid. Of course he thinks a prosperous, free European state outside of the EU is impossible.

Except of course for that tiny bit of himself he keeps locked away, which lies awake at night worrying about a prosperous, free European state outside the EU and right on his northern border. The part that won’t stop whispering, “what if?”

Naturally he still hopes passionately, some might say desperately, for Brexit, if it happens at all, to be as soft as it can possibly be. France’s ideal outcome would be for the U.K. to become a rule taker, without the ability to upset the apple cart as we have had a tendency to do ever since we joined (which is why De Gaulle, wisely, was against us joining in the first place).

It has long been French policy that the European Union is a means for France to use German economic power to mould Europe to suit itself. France believes in ever-closer union because it believes it can mould that union to its advantage. A free, prosperous, relatively deregulated economy on its border would give the lie to the claim that deeper European integration is the only path to prosperity and would make the aim of integration much harder to pursue, especially amongst the reluctant eastern states that until now have been able to hide behind British coat tails in tough negotiations. They will now have to step up and speak up for themselves, and a prosperous, free U.K. may just be an incentive to them.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Chris

As predicted, the government has obeyed the letter of the Grieve Amendment and agreed to put its plan B to Parliament within 3 days ... but as the amendment didn’t specify that it needed to be a fully worked solution to be voted on immediately, it won’t be. The government will take a further 8 days before plan B is voted on, *if* there is anything to be voted on at that time.

Leadsom 1, Grieve/Bercow 0.

The government has also taken the precaution of declining to introduce anything else to Parliament over the next week that could be amended by mischievous remainers.

The gloves are off.

If the Government don’t progress some of the legislation required to facilitate Brexit by 29th March then extension is inevitable.

Far from a victory for Leadsom this demonstrates just how precarious a position the Government are in with Brexit.

I’m inclined to ignore the President of France, especially with an approval rating persistently sub 30%.

He needs to deal with his own issues, the persistent weekly protests going on and the heavy handed tactics his police appear to be undertaking in.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Mick

I’m inclined to ignore the President of France, especially with an approval rating persistently sub 30%.

He needs to deal with his own issues, the persistent weekly protests going on and the heavy handed tactics his police appear to be undertaking in.

. . coming to a town near you - unless of course we do the sensible thing and 'get out of town'

[papa smurf]

Europe prepares for no-deal Brexit


French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe said ‘we strongly believe’ Britain will leave with no exit deal.



https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-37721373.html



France is spending 50 million euros (£44 million) to beef up security at airports and the Eurotunnel, hiring hundreds of extra customs officers and issuing emergency decrees to gear up for the possibility that Britain will leave the EU on March 29 without a plan.

Germany fast-tracked a debate on solving bureaucratic problems in case of a no-deal Brexit, and the Netherlands has made a special exception to let British citizens stay in the country temporarily once they no longer enjoy EU residency rights.

A no-deal Brexit would shake up the rest of the continent in ways that many Europeans have not yet fathomed.

I think we should make clear that every minute a British lorry is delayed at Dover will be replicated, second for second, for an Irish one at Holyhead. The perfidious Irish bear more than their fair share of the blame for this; it is their fear of a free-trading U.K. buying its beef from South America, and their cack-handed attempts to make the border issue so toxic as to force us to agree to stay in the customs union, that has made the deal unsellable in Parliament. Leo Varadkar is the most anti-British Toeseacccchhhhggggghhhhh in decades and he deserves to sweat profusely from now until March.

[jfman]

There’s a very easy way to maintain a frictionless border with the European Union if we are that worried about it.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jfman

There’s a very easy way to maintain a frictionless border with the European Union if we are that worried about it.

Nuke it

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Chris

I think we should make clear that every minute a British lorry is delayed at Dover will be replicated, second for second, for an Irish one at Holyhead. The perfidious Irish bear more than their fair share of the blame for this; it is their fear of a free-trading U.K. buying its beef from South America, and their cack-handed attempts to make the border issue so toxic as to force us to agree to stay in the customs union, that has made the deal unsellable in Parliament. Leo Varadkar is the most anti-British Toeseacccchhhhggggghhhhh in decades and he deserves to sweat profusely from now until March.

OMG not you aswell

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Originally Posted by jfman

There’s a very easy way to maintain a frictionless border with the European Union if we are that worried about it.

You mean like forming some sort of Economic Union with them ?