Football Season 2010/2011

[ChrisLUFC22]

Originally Posted by colin25

I have sympathy..but garnished with realism

Whilst i know some make supporting their clubs their whole life..I think some take it too far..hence the supporters outside rooney's home
And no reason they don't do a wimbledon..not happy, support someone else local. But playing with the big boys costs money. And their club was living beyond their means.

I would think these days..most football clubs must be someone's possession. Only club I know owned by the fans, is the one bought on internet, Ebbsfleet United
(I swithered paying money back then to join them...but didn't..thought of other things to waste my money on ..but supported the sentiment )

I completely agree with that. It is only a game at the end of the day, thats why I cringe when I hear that Leeds fans have been in trouble, theres a small minority that give the rest of us a bad name.
I think the only way to stop football imploding is a salary cap. Every interview that a player gives, they always say "it's not about me, its the team, blah, blah, blah", well if they really believe that, then they'd have no problem getting paid the same. At the END of the season, maybe the clubs could reward some success with a financial bonus, that I wouldn't have a problem with. And I certainly wouldn't mind the England players getting paid if they actually won something, but to be paid to represent your country should be an honour that money can't buy.

[superbiatch]

Originally Posted by ChrisLUFC22

I completely agree with that. It is only a game at the end of the day, thats why I cringe when I hear that Leeds fans have been in trouble, theres a small minority that give the rest of us a bad name.
I think the only way to stop football imploding is a salary cap. Every interview that a player gives, they always say "it's not about me, its the team, blah, blah, blah", well if they really believe that, then they'd have no problem getting paid the same. At the END of the season, maybe the clubs could reward some success with a financial bonus, that I wouldn't have a problem with. And I certainly wouldn't mind the England players getting paid if they actually won something, but to be paid to represent your country should be an honour that money can't buy.

I agree with a salary cap and i know its worked in rugby league. The only thing is it would have to be international, otherwise players would be leaving to play in other countries and the prestige of the premiership would be lost.

What do we reckon then - minimum wage lol. Haha, thats just for the LFC players atm

Originally Posted by superbiatch

I agree with a salary cap and i know its worked in rugby league. The only thing is it would have to be international, otherwise players would be leaving to play in other countries and the prestige of the premiership would be lost.

What do we reckon then - minimum wage lol. Haha, thats just for the LFC players atm

I'm amazed football has got away with the financial 'structure' they have, lately

Players are paid more per week than an average worker would hope to earn in 5 years and a decent seat at a match costs more than a flight to a nice sunny holiday destination.

- then they want to also charge a subscription to watch a game on the telly, meanwhile the clubs are apparently millions of pounds in debt ..

[nomadking]

The real problem is the way that they can afford the inflated wages in the first place. Each club is effectively a monopoly as fans don't transfer allegiance as you would with supermarket chains. They can also demand inflated fees for things like TV rights because again they are effectively monopolies, ie you can't buy the rights from somewhere else.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by superbiatch

I agree with a salary cap and i know its worked in rugby league. The only thing is it would have to be international, otherwise players would be leaving to play in other countries and the prestige of the premiership would be lost.

A salary cap would never work, sneaky ways round it would be found and exploited.

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Originally Posted by gazfan

Players are paid more per week than an average worker would hope to earn in 5 years and a decent seat at a match costs more than a flight to a nice sunny holiday destination.

and yet no one complains when business men (except bankers) earn millions a year or when F1 drivers sign million pound contracts, footballers are different though and have you ever wondered why a footballers salary is reported as weekly? No one elses is, you dont hear of Tiger Woods weekly wage but you do footballers, it's a throwback to the days of earning a fiver a week, it's not a working class game anymore and the players earning big bucks earn their clubs a hell of a lot of revenue in the process.

- then they want to also charge a subscription to watch a game on the telly, meanwhile the clubs are apparently millions of pounds in debt

Some of the clubs are millions of pounds in debt, some have been poorly run yes but just as many have been subject to hostile take overs burdening them with debt and some like my own club have just been unlucky, typical really the richest man in Iceland buys the club just as the bubble bursts...

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Originally Posted by nomadking

The real problem is the way that they can afford the inflated wages in the first place. Each club is effectively a monopoly as fans don't transfer allegiance as you would with supermarket chains. They can also demand inflated fees for things like TV rights because again they are effectively monopolies, ie you can't buy the rights from somewhere else.

The real problem is after boom comes bust, the football bubble wont carry on forever, nothing ever does and not many clubs have had the foresight to plan for this very real eventuality.

[ChrisLUFC22]

[QUOTE=TheDaddy;35112576]A salary cap would never work, sneaky ways round it would be found and exploited.





and yet no one complains when business men (except bankers) earn millions a year or when F1 drivers sign million pound contracts, footballers are different though and have you ever wondered why a footballers salary is reported as weekly? No one elses is, you dont hear of Tiger Woods weekly wage but you do footballers, it's a throwback to the days of earning a fiver a week, it's not a working class game anymore and the players earning big bucks earn their clubs a hell of a lot of revenue in the process.


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A salary cap could work, it works in rugby. Players could get a set amount from their club, for arguments sake £10k, then are free to chase their own sponsorship deals and lucrative contracts elsewhere.
I'm not complaining at the fact that they get paid alot, it's the fact that they are paid obscene amounts and the clubs are getting into debt because of the demands. This is for arguments sake, but if Chelsea win the league this season and get £25m prize money I would have absolutely no problem with the players sharing that, the players are the attraction of football and DO deserve a cut of the money, but it needs to be regulated or capped, with the rest going into investing in youth, grass roots etc.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by ChrisLUFC22

A salary cap could work, it works in rugby.

Oh really

Salary-cap abuse is killing the English game, warns Wasps' Steve Hayes

English rugby union is facing a crackdown on breaches of the salary cap, with administrators considering sanctions to match those which have seen an Australian rugby league club stripped of two championship titles. It is believed that one high-profile Guinness Premiership club could be charged next month amid concerns of widespread abuses.

The London Wasps owner, Steve Hayes, is among those who allege the salary cap rules are being cynically exploited by certain individuals

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010...p-tsar-warning

You don't think the abuses would be far worse once football agents get their teeth into the global market, rather than the chairmen of a fringe game.

COME ON!

Arsenal have won a big game . Seriously, it's sounds pathetic. You my fellow forumaties will be rolling your eyes but Arsenal have not won a big game since beating United a couple of seasons ago. City are certainly a 'big game' especially at Eastlands. They beat Chelsea there after all. They were second in the table.

These is a very Important victory. Not because it put us up there in 2nd and level on points with City, United but also because it will give them confidence they can compete at the top level.

3 - 0 at Eastlands. Awesome.

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As for Salary cap the UEFA fair play rules will hopefully deflate the wages a little because their simply is not enough money in the game to sustain the wages that Chelsea and City play. Chelsea, to their credit, are aggressively cutting it for example. No need for a cap.

[punky]

City aren't a big team. A rich team, but not a big team.

So, sorry Damien, you'll have to wait a bit longer.

[ChrisLUFC22]

Originally Posted by punky

City aren't a big team. A rich team, but not a big team.

So, sorry Damien, you'll have to wait a bit longer.

But they are genuine title contenders I think, which makes a victory against them worth noting. City, though, did play well until the final stages.

Originally Posted by punky

City aren't a big team. A rich team, but not a big team.

So, sorry Damien, you'll have to wait a bit longer.

Hey they are a big team. I know what you mean but they are title contenders, top 4 contenders, and it was away. Spurs are a top team as well. Don't get me wrong, I'll enjoy beating them too

For my big team argument I don't think you can disagree (I mean you can, and just did, but still) they are a big team. They beat Chelsea there, they were second and they have some top players.

Anyway. I am pretty drunk. For the 'big games' (or what I consider to be the big games) I find a double shot of makers mark (whiskey) helps calms my nerves and when we won I thought another double shot would be a good idea

Arsenal! Arsenal! Arsenal!

(PS I Support Arsenal in case you were wondering)

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Damien

These is a very Important victory. Not because it put us up there in 2nd and level on points with City, United but also because it will give them confidence they can compete at the top level.

So Arsenal need to play 85 minutes against 10 men to have confidence that they can compete?

[Niles Crane]

No, Arsenal need to comprehensively beat a direct rival away from home, to have confidence.

In case it's what you're insinuating; the 10 men you had doesn't take anything away from the victory, it adds to it in fact. You went down to 10 men because of Arsenal's superiority and the deficiencies in your team. If it was an incorrect or fluke sending off, then it would be right to say Arsenal's victory wasn't that impressive, but it wasn't.

Anyway, on a lighter note, some Stoke City fans today:

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Niles Crane

You went down to 10 men because of Arsenal's superiority and the deficiencies in your team.

Amazing viewpoint made after 5 minutes and a simple stupid mistake by one person.. or shall we forget about playing the other 85 and just finish the games there from now on

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Amazing viewpoint made after 5 minutes and a simple stupid mistake by one person.. or shall we forget about playing the other 85 and just finish the games there from now on

Stupid mistakes decide games, especially the big ones where both teams are at the top of the league. In this case an incisive pass from Fabregas and a good run by Chamakh had broken though the City defence, Just prior to this a similar move and only just failed due to offside, and Boyata committed a professional foul.

City can have no complaints about that. It wasn't simply a mistake by one person either, the defence shouldn't have been opened up like that and left Boyata in such a position. Where on earth was City's left back for example?

Red cards are as much apart of Football as anything else and it was a fair red card. You do play the remaining 85 minutes and Arsenal had the quality to make it count.