Ban the burkha ?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

It gives a prime example of how banning the burkha would do sweet FA for security in the street.
Could you not see that Gary?

Well if you put the 'stereo typical' to one side. no.

Originally Posted by Gary L

Well if you put the 'stereo typical' to one side. no.

Sorry, my mistake - that's a typical stereo.....

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Hi Gazfan, I certainly don't stop anyone wearing hat, scarf in cold weather, when was the last time you see any old folk walking down the street with there whole face covered completely, and just showing the eyes.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Earlier this year when there was all that white stuff falling from the sky.


How many of the 7/7 bombers wore veils or tried to cover their face?

Do you really think it is up to you to stop people wearing what they need to in cold weather Arthur?

I saw many people, old & young, with their whole face covered during the recent winter - some had goggles over their eyes - would you like to explain further what your point is, other than parroting the media?

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Earlier this year when there was all that white stuff falling from the sky.


How many of the 7/7 bombers wore veils or tried to cover their face?

They weren't exactly bothered about being identified.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by nomadking

They weren't exactly bothered about being identified.

Glad to see the point isn't wasted on you.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Glad to see the point isn't wasted on you.

The point being that suicide bombers will still bomb not caring about showing their identity?
that's ok if you are just focusing on the burkha and suicide bombers blowing people up.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Gary L

The point being that suicide bombers will still bomb not caring about showing their identity?
that's ok if you are just focusing on the burkha and suicide bombers blowing people up.

We'll have to wait for Arthur to clarify his statement then
Might be some time...

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

How many of the 7/7 bombers wore veils or tried to cover their face?

You mean like the 21/7 attempted bomber did to escape the UK??

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6378863.stm

---------- Post added at 14:50 ---------- Previous post was at 14:48 ----------

It's not just about security but also about crime in general, I wonder how easy it is to perform identity theft if wearing a burkha? Also burkha wearing robbers have also been recently in the news

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/824926-b...raids-jeweller

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

You mean like the 21/7 attempted bomber did to escape the UK??

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6378863.stm

---------- Post added at 14:50 ---------- Previous post was at 14:48 ----------

It's not just about security but also about crime in general, I wonder how easy it is to perform identity theft if wearing a burkha? Also burkha wearing robbers have also been recently in the news

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/824926-b...raids-jeweller

Neither of those crimes occured while walking down the street Kymmy. Nor did Mr Omar use a Burkha to escape the UK (it's always useful to read articles linked to).
As you'll know from your reading of the thread, Arthur said that no one walking down the street should be allowed to do so with their face covered for the security of his family.

You'll also know that it's been said business owners are within their rights to refuse entry unless they can see the person's face.

[chris9991]

So, if we have black robbers - should we ban blacks?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by chris9991

So, if we have black robbers - should we ban blacks?

Yes absolutely, take that black skin of at once

Don't remember there being this much fuss when hoodies were banned from shopping centres and the like.

[Kymmy]

My line is that a burkha hides identity (hence the 21/7 bomber used it to escape and got past security and passport control) and is helpful in performing crimes.. So in respect there should be a way of at very least proving identity in some circumstances (even if it meant showing your face to a security camera when entering a jewelers (camera doesn't have to be manned)

As for banning it in public I'm not in favor of that as what people do is their own concern, but Burkha wearers should be aware and willing to prove identity in secure enviroments

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

My line is that a burkha hides identity (hence the 21/7 bomber used it to escape and got past security and passport control) and is helpful in performing crimes.. So in respect there should be a way of at very least proving identity in some circumstances (even if it meant showing your face to a security camera when entering a jewelers (camera doesn't have to be manned)

As for banning it in public I'm not in favor of that as what people do is their own concern, but Burkha wearers should be aware and willing to prove identity in secure enviroments

There's security and passport control to enter Birmingham???

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

There's security and passport control to enter Birmingham???

No. Just to exit...

[Kymmy]

Woops, my bad, trying to find it but there was also a few attempts at crossing passport control in a burkha one of I believe suceeded.. just can;t find the right news report as the search keeps getting clogged with french and belgium "ban the burkha" reports