Ban the burkha ?

That's why I repeated the original statement - "highly educated", rather than just "educated"....

To me (and I should have clarified my interpretation of the phrase, even though I did not originate it in this thread), it means at least a PhD, which requires "original thinking".

I also think there may be confusion between clever/highly educated and having "common sense" - I think those are completely different things; people can have both attributes, but not necessarily.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

That's why I repeated the original statement - "highly educated", rather than just "educated"....

To me (and I should have clarified my interpretation of the phrase, even though I did not originate it in this thread), it means at least a PhD, which requires "original thinking".

I also think there may be confusion between clever/highly educated and having "common sense" - I think those are completely different things; people can have both attributes, but not necessarily.

Indeed, I find that working in Higher Education, the two are often mutually exclusive. I know many very clever people (including Professors) who have little or no common sense.

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Originally Posted by Chris

Once upon a time, a degree course either trained you for a highly complex vocation (for example, in engineering or the sciences), or else it just trained you how to think, the better to equip you for any of a range of less technically specialised roles in life. This, of course, was the good old general arts degree ... History, English Lit and the like.

Sadly these days, the politically motivated rush to get everyone who wants one a bit of paper with 'degree' scrawled on it has led to an explosion of vocational courses and a generation of people who have wasted three years learning a narrow subject (there were some students on TV the other day who were engaged on a three year degree course in how to design well-drained sports pitches - I kid you not) such that they know all the ins and outs of that subject but are woefully lacking when it comes to the general study and analysis skills that are so useful in life.

One would hope that students would learn how to design good drainage systems (which could drain the sports pitches) as part of a wider, engineering based degree. Sadly, that's not the case.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

That's why I repeated the original statement - "highly educated", rather than just "educated"....

Then a) I wonder if it's possible to be highly educated without being clever? (I believe it's possible to be clever without being highly educated).
wouldn't and doesn't make sense

Originally Posted by Gary L

Then a) I wonder if it's possible to be highly educated without being clever? (I believe it's possible to be clever without being highly educated).
wouldn't and doesn't make sense

Only to you, Gary..

You seem to have difficulty that the proposition (If A, then B) does not have to mean (If B, therefore A) - it's called the Affirming the Consequent logical fallacy.

Clever is not the same as common sense, so it make perfect sense.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Only to you, Gary..

You seem to have difficulty that the proposition (If A, then B) does not have to mean (If B, therefore A) - it's called the Affirming the Consequent logical fallacy.

Clever is not the same as common sense, so it make perfect sense.

excuse me while i have a migraine

i think we need to get back on topic ,i have to keep looking at the header to remind me what the thread is about

[Xaccers]

Would a business owner break any laws by insisting on being shown somone's face before allowing them on their premises?
You would not need to insist on them showing their face all the time, only enough to get a description should you need to.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I cannot believe that this thread is still going, My belief is still the same, to protect to the people of this country, that includes my wife and family, everyone who walks down the street, or into offices, shops, the person's face should be seen, and there should be no excuses.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I cannot believe that this thread is still going, My belief is still the same, to protect to the people of this country, that includes my wife and family, everyone who walks down the street, or into offices, shops, the person's face should be seen, and there should be no excuses.

So on a winter's afternoon, no one should cover their faces with a scarf?
Bit unfair on the old and frail wouldn't you say Arthur?

Of the 7/7 bombers, how many covered their faces as they walked along streets, onto busses, down to tube stations?

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Would a business owner break any laws by insisting on being shown somone's face before allowing them on their premises?

Don't think so. In fact at least one shop in Glasgow (run by Muslims) insists on just that.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ing-veils.html

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I cannot believe that this thread is still going, My belief is still the same, to protect to the people of this country, that includes my wife and family, everyone who walks down the street, or into offices, shops, the person's face should be seen, and there should be no excuses.

Your wife & family, presumably, never wear hoods, hats, caps, scarves, balaclavas or use umbrellas.

You should be ashamed to want to expose your loved ones to adverse weather, rather than allowing them to use protective clothing.

- of course you didn't mean that - but if you cannot phrase your posts to address particular points, rather than them seeming to be general rants, you will always get this kind of comeback.

FGS Arthur, say what YOU think, don't just parrot the headlines in the press ...

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Hi Gazfan, I certainly don't stop anyone wearing hat, scarf in cold weather, when was the last time you see any old folk walking down the street with there whole face covered completely, and just showing the eyes.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Hi Gazfan, I certainly don't stop anyone wearing hat, scarf in cold weather, when was the last time you see any old folk walking down the street with there whole face covered completely, and just showing the eyes.

Earlier this year when there was all that white stuff falling from the sky.


How many of the 7/7 bombers wore veils or tried to cover their face?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

How many of the 7/7 bombers wore veils or tried to cover their face?

Why?
it's not all about bombs.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Why?
it's not all about bombs.

It gives a prime example of how banning the burkha would do sweet FA for security in the street.
Could you not see that Gary?