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07-09-2019, 18:45
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by denphone
Strange teething problems l would say as its been going on for a few years now.
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It's new technology, Den. You have to be patient.
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Originally Posted by jfman
It's hardly teething problems. Amazon have been streaming for years, as have others such as the BBC. The technology is tried and tested.
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Probably a good explanation as to why Amazon didn't make a bid for the main football Premiership streaming services last time around, eh?
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07-09-2019, 18:47
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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It's new technology, Den. You have to be patient.
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Just imagine how that new technology would have to cope with 5 million plus people as if it can't cope now with far lesser numbers all l forsee is more problems if there are more users of it.
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07-09-2019, 20:36
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
It's new technology, Den. You have to be patient.
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Probably a good explanation as to why Amazon didn't make a bid for the main football Premiership streaming services last time around, eh?
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If they aren't willing to make adequate investment so that the platform suitable for millions of simultaneous accesses, then yes. The reputational risk is huge for them.
What changes between now and 2022 though?
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07-09-2019, 22:35
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by denphone
Just imagine how that new technology would have to cope with 5 million plus people as if it can't cope now with far lesser numbers all l forsee is more problems if there are more users of it.
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Tbf even sattelite, cable and terrestial channels can have glitches and down time so i wouldn't say "oh streaming won't cope"
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08-09-2019, 00:09
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k
Tbf even sattelite, cable and terrestial channels can have glitches and down time so i wouldn't say "oh streaming won't cope"
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They've a demand based risk, as yet unproven.
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09-09-2019, 13:07
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by jfman
If they aren't willing to make adequate investment so that the platform suitable for millions of simultaneous accesses, then yes. The reputational risk is huge for them.
What changes between now and 2022 though?
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New technology advances very quickly. For example, it is likely that the latency problem will be resolved by then, which is one of the key issues for the streaming companies.
https://advanced-television.com/2019...vice-provides/
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09-09-2019, 13:29
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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There is a lot of technical jargon in there but no solutions.
Technology does advance but it doesn't do this by itself, or forever. People need to develop and invest in solutions. If the infrastructure doesn't support a significant number of simultaneous accesses to a live stream (or near live, I don't think anyone is genuinely streaming live) then that's going to be an interesting one to watch them solve.
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09-09-2019, 14:04
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by jfman
There is a lot of technical jargon in there but no solutions.
Technology does advance but it doesn't do this by itself, or forever. People need to develop and invest in solutions. If the infrastructure doesn't support a significant number of simultaneous accesses to a live stream (or near live, I don't think anyone is genuinely streaming live) then that's going to be an interesting one to watch them solve.
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They reckon it will be resolved next year, jfman.
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09-09-2019, 14:14
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That's not what it says. It says there's a plan to deploy a new technology by the end of 2020. It doesn't say whether this technology is proven in the field. Is anyone using it now, for example? Unknown. Who will be first? Unknown. When will we see real world results? Unknown.
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09-09-2019, 14:44
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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They reckon it will be resolved next year, jfman.
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If you will insist on trawling the web desperately looking for articles that seem to back up your fantasy predictions then you will make errors lie this.
The article you posted claims no such thing. Low latency is already achievable in the lab. There are a couple of solutions available and your article says many media companies will deploy them by the end of next year.
What they’re more coy about is precisely how low the latency can go in the wild. Note that while other technical journals say that latencies of 3 or 2 seconds are possible, half of the respondents quoted in the survey aren’t prepared to stake their reputations on achieving anything better than “less than 5 seconds”.
Believe me, if you’re trying to watch live football anywhere within earshot of someone listening to commentary on an FM radio, the latency present in even just a digital satellite broadcast can utterly ruin the experience.
The only good news about latency is that it will be around long enough that if you’re so minded, you can carry on doing the Pop Master trick in your workplace for the foreseeable future.
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09-09-2019, 17:39
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
I often get the bbc alert on my phone around 45 seconds before the event when watching football online via nbcsports/nowtv/btsport sometimes it can be upto 2 minutes before the event.
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09-09-2019, 18:37
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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I often get the bbc alert on my phone around 45 seconds before the event when watching football online via nbcsports/nowtv/btsport sometimes it can be upto 2 minutes before the event.
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Yes, it’s horrific at the moment, but the new low-latency standards that emerged last year and will be deployed over the next 18 months should make a step-change, from delays of 45 seconds or more to around 5 seconds.
The problem is, for live sports, 5 seconds is still 5 seconds too long, especially if, as you’ve outlined, you have simultaneous access to more than one source of information about an event.
I used to live next door to an Arsenal fanatic whose cheers through the party wall made it sound like he was sitting in my living room whenever he watched them score. If the two of us were both following the same live game using different technologies then even a 5 second delay would potentially be a major spoiler.
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09-09-2019, 18:48
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by jfman
That's not what it says. It says there's a plan to deploy a new technology by the end of 2020. It doesn't say whether this technology is proven in the field. Is anyone using it now, for example? Unknown. Who will be first? Unknown. When will we see real world results? Unknown.
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It says 2020, and because you don't know the answers to the questions you have posed doesn't mean this will not happen.
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09-09-2019, 18:52
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
It says 2020, and because you don't know the answers to the questions you have posed doesn't mean this will not happen.
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And in 2020 it could very well say 2021. The questions would be useful in ascertaining credibility.
There also no evidence that the issues experienced by Amazon had anything to do with latency at all.
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09-09-2019, 19:46
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by jfman
And in 2020 it could very well say 2021. The questions would be useful in ascertaining credibility.
There also no evidence that the issues experienced by Amazon had anything to do with latency at all.
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Latency is a big problem with live streaming and once they have tackled that, the worst of the problems faced by the streamers will be overcome. It would not be at all surprising to learn that this was a big reason why Amazon did not wish to bid for one of the bigger packages this last time around. I've said consistently that latency and broadband coverage/speeds were the main drawbacks for live streaming.
Amazon will be keen not to annoy football fans with poor reception and delayed real time action. It will be interesting to see how the coverage of those Christmas matches goes.
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