Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?

[Toto]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

But none of your torrent mislabled star wars would match any part of the original, I believe that they do at least confirm that the part they download does at least match the hash of a pirated copy

Spot on.

[Turkey Machine]

Originally Posted by Toto

I don't wish to second guess Mr Angry, but he may be eluding to the fact that you don't need to offer the whole part of the work to have breached copyright law, only a reasonable part of it.

From there on in you could claim under the "fair use" doctrine. Personal use, not a problem. If you happen to connect a torrent up with that part in, they've (supposedly) got you there and then.

The wonderful thing about BitTorrent is it only takes one person to download it from another computer for the chain of spreading to begin. Thanks to DHT the tracker now no longer needs to keep track of who's got what because the DHT is doing that for them, and better yet it keeps it anonymous because a DHT is universal, whereas a tracker isn't. It's why The Pirate Bay withdrew their tracker. Why duplicate a job?

[adzii_nufc]

Me has Downloaded Movies, Games hmm just about everything

1) Could Changing your Ip confuse them or not or do they go for the MAC address.. I have a rare Virgin Dynamic IP

2) When we download Films it apparently gives the Movie Downlaoded a Potential Huge loss in earning's HA! Bulls**t! they still make Hundreds of Millions from one film even if its downloaded over 200,000 times!

3) This whole Copyright Horsecrap started when the PirateBay were succesfully Prosecuted But trying to Prosecute Individuals for downloading is insane, If one guy say was fined a substantial amount or was actually sentenced to Prison time, Imagine the Outcry.

im sure there are over 30million homes in Britian with a pc and im sure at least 2/3 of them have downloaded something Illegally since owning one
Imagine 20million People all in court

Fat chance

War in the Middle East, Economy Downturn, Goverment is close to be overthrown by the BNP of all people, Pirates are back, Except they use little wooden doors and AK-47's, Iran Building More Missiles than ive been to the toilet in 19 years, President Obama is a complete fail, Gordon Brown has done less in a year than Rick waller has done in his life and Finally Lawyers claiming to have records of you downloading P0rn!

Well Who said World War 3 included Guns?

[Rik]

Originally Posted by Toto

It amazes me how much "spoofing" goes on in p2p traffic according to those who regularly use that term, its amazing that any files actually reach their destination IP addresses with all that going on.

Indeed!

It's amazing any of us actually get our Linux Bluray Distro Discs complete!

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

1) Could Changing your Ip confuse them or not or do they go for the MAC address.. I have a rare Virgin Dynamic IP

Nope as VM log the exact IP for the exact date/time you have it. As the request for data is based on an exact time no matter how many times you change your IP they'll know it's you

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

2) When we download Films it apparently gives the Movie Downlaoded a Potential Huge loss in earning's HA! Bulls**t! they still make Hundreds of Millions from one film even if its downloaded over 200,000 times!

And which myth site did that come from? If you watch a movie online then the ISP and/or newsserver is getting the money, not the production companies that get the money if you go to the cinema or buy a DVD/stream

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

3) This whole Copyright Horsecrap started when the PirateBay were succesfully Prosecuted But trying to Prosecute Individuals for downloading is insane, If one guy say was fined a substantial amount or was actually sentenced to Prison time, Imagine the Outcry.

This is nothing about that prosecution...

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

im sure there are over 30million homes in Britian with a pc and im sure at least 2/3 of them have downloaded something Illegally since owning one
Imagine 20million People all in court

Fat chance

They don't have to go for everyone.. In the end they're making money of the few that they do log.. That's where you seem to be getting confused this isn't about the copyright issue but instead about a small group of lawyers and intelectual rights holders who have found a new way of making money from thier services/product..

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

War in the Middle East, Economy Downturn, Goverment is close to be overthrown by the BNP of all people, Pirates are back, Except they use little wooden doors and AK-47's, Iran Building More Missiles than ive been to the toilet in 19 years, President Obama is a complete fail, Gordon Brown has done less in a year than Rick waller has done in his life and Finally Lawyers claiming to have records of you downloading P0rn!

Well Who said World War 3 included Guns?

So your defence in this matter is that the goverment should do more... BUT this thread isn't about the goverment or it's proposed P2P actions instead as I said in the last paragraph it's about private companies making money

[lymmranger]

Kymmy makes a valid point which seems to be perpetually overlooked...

If an internet user downloads a film or game or some music, or indeed any copyrighted work without paying for it and are subsequently caught out, then the phrase "if you cant do the time, do not comit the crime" applies.

However this depends on being caught "fair and square" using a reliable and irrefutable method of detection.

It is a fairly safe "bet" that such a process is not being used by either ACS or D/L.

Therefore the only conclusion we can draw is that this is indeed a business model for a money making scheme. It is time that "we" concentrated on this fact rather than constantly looking for a "loophole" way out.

ACS are NOT going to go away until either the "evidence" is discredited or the whole business model is outlawed.

In the meanwhile we should all collectively ensure that those wrongly accused are able to find impartial advice and guidance on replying to ACS as well as contacting their MP, MEP, the SRA and the media.

[Reedy]

I was just sent this, they have a point!

[Kymmy]

And MTV is supported by sponsorship and they still have to pay live show rights to the sound producers... So it's point being is???

[Rik]

No matter what excuses people come up with, the fact of the matter is, when you download that game, album, movie etc etc, you take a risk, you know you shouldnt be doing it and accept the consequences when you get rumbled.

Plus you take precautions to minimise that risk, for instance SSL Usenet access, or PRIVATE Bit Torrent trackers.

No point crying about it when you get caught, you just have to deal with it.

If you cant do the time, dont do the crime as they say.

PS Yes I have some goodies on my PCs and if I got caught, I would gladly pay the price. (well perhaps not gladly lol, but I would accept it)

[Kymmy]

Yes and no, dealing with a proper case of prosecution is fine, one where the evidence supports 100% the action... but that's not the case here, it's the fact that they don;t care if the person they send the letter to is innocent, they just want thier slice of the money and they don't care if a few innocent people who might be petrified by this action get caught up in the middle...

This practice should be banned..

[Reedy]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

And MTV is supported by sponsorship and they still have to pay live show rights to the sound producers... So it's point being is???

MTV CRIBS! The clue is in the picture!

[Kymmy]

as i don't watch mtv (much prefer the euro stuff on other sats)

[lymmranger]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Yes and no, dealing with a proper case of prosecution is fine, one where the evidence supports 100% the action... but that's not the case here, it's the fact that they don;t care if the person they send the letter to is innocent, they just want thier slice of the money and they don't care if a few innocent people who might be petrified by this action get caught up in the middle...

This practice should be banned..

.......or discredited, no other option that I can see.

The trouble is that after nearly 3 years, neither option is any closer to reality

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

as i don't watch mtv (much prefer the euro stuff on other sats)

MTV Cribs is a programme which shows the (usually) massive and extravagant homes of singers and other celebrities. I think the point he's trying to make is "they can afford it, they make enough money not to miss me downloading their album/film for free".

[Kymmy]

Ahhh..thank you Russ... (Ask Kym to give you a kiss+hugs from me please)


I wonder though how many films, tracks, games would be made if there wasn't big money in it? Not as if a film is that dear?? Costs a few hundred million to make and you get it either on a really big screen for £5-8 or on a DVD for £10-20... The same with music, what's it equate to these days £1 a track..which you'll play over and over again.. The artist might make a load of each track but if everyone was to say well he can afford it if I don't pay then soon they'd be no tracks to buy (or download)

Anyway back on topic...

Originally Posted by lymmranger

.......or discredited, no other option that I can see.

The trouble is that after nearly 3 years, neither option is any closer to reality

Yep, though would rather see it banned and that way action can be taken against anyone trying it, if discredited then you'll always get people trying it and they'll always be people scared or confused enough to pay