[Now Official] More ntl speed changes

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by BBKing

BB (who found *six* new UBRs on his network scan last night)

what's the significance of that? are you saying that NTL have added 6 new UBRs in order to be able to handle the speed increases?

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

what's the significance of that? are you saying that NTL have added 6 new UBRs in order to be able to handle the speed increases?

'Continuous improvement'

[Chris W]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

what's the significance of that? are you saying that NTL have added 6 new UBRs in order to be able to handle the speed increases?

If you read BBKings whole post (http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...&postcount=596) he was citing facts in response to comments that ntl invested little or no money on their network.

EDIT: want to see how much a single card for a UBR is.... linky

You mean NTL buy their kit on EBay!! (Sorry - couldn't resist that)

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Neil

Ok...

Let's say four hundred thousand disagreed with me?

What about the other six hundred thousand BB customers that ntl have!?

I haven't seen NTL's complaints figures, but I suspect a large chunk of those 600,000 users are probably quite happy with their service, and wouldn't even know about, let alone care about, NTL running their network to the wire.

[ProfPete]

No, that's the uBR stuff that was nicked when someone raided one of the headends a few months back.....

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by monkeybreath

If you read BBKings whole post (http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...&postcount=596) he was citing facts in response to comments that ntl invested little or no money on their network.

EDIT: want to see how much a single card for a UBR is.... linky

Heh that's the cheaper part of the deal, the extra fibre is naaasty cost

[daxx]

Originally Posted by DeadKenny

Ah yes, NTL's catch phrase (with the emphasis on 'wait' ).

and there was me thinking it was the infamous

COMING SHORTLY

[etccarmageddon]

to put this in perspective... how many UBRs exist within the NTL network? and how many were there say 12 months ago?

[Chrysalis]

interesting no comments to my post. I will ask again.

The low usage customers are catered for.
The 24/7 leechers are dealt with.
But what about the people who want 50-100 gig a month? and is 40 gig really appropriate for a 3mbit tier.

[Florence]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

interesting no comments to my post. I will ask again.

The low usage customers are catered for.
The 24/7 leechers are dealt with.
But what about the people who want 50-100 gig a month? and is 40 gig really appropriate for a 3mbit tier.

IMPO it is enough if you need more then I am sure NTL will arrange to charge those by the gig they want over the 40gig.

That is what I think should happen now.

But we won't know until the 'official' announcement, so what's the point in speculating?

[slowcoach]

Judging from some of the messages here you would think NTL was planning to reduce speeds rather than increase them, if I was NTL reading this thread I would be thinking †œwhat an ungrateful lot of *** we have as customersâ₠¬Â�, it would make me think twice before I offered any further speed increases.



Given the choice I would have to choose reasonable capping as opposed to crap service due to congestion. If I had a few people on my loop hogging the bandwidth all the time I would be the first to complain, we all have to learn to respect other people and act accordingly otherwise the result will be anarchy which will benefit no-one.

When it was PAYG for everyone we were our own bandwidth police, only being able to afford going online evenings and weekends for relatively short periods of time. With a fixed monthly fee there has to be some policy to deter everyone from hogging the bandwidth, anyone who canââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t appreciate that is living in cloud cuckoo land.

In an ideal world we would each have a 1:1 contention ratio and each driver would have the road all to themselves but until then we have to learn to live within current resources.



When my speed doubles I am not going to be downloading twice as much data as I do now, I am not going to change my on-line pattern much at all, in just the same way that I didnâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t start downloading everything in site when I moved from 512KB ADSL last month just because I could now do it 3 times faster.



For the first time in my life I will have the fastest connection available in the UK (ignoring Bulldog in Central London) and for that I have to applaud NTL, and at a price I could only have dreamed of in the past.



ntl:

[ProfPete]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

The low usage customers are catered for.
The 24/7 leechers are dealt with.
But what about the people who want 50-100 gig a month? and is 40 gig really appropriate for a 3mbit tier.

Actually, having done the calculations, 40gig is quite restrictive for a 3-meg package. Infact, if the contention is 20:1, then this is slightly less than your fair share. I'm told, however, that they work on 25:1, so its probably a bit more. 45gig would be fair for 20:1, counting a 31-day month, so they ought to round that up to 50.

Though for the price, I'm not complaining

Prices will come down, bandwidth allowances might go up, speed might rise again in a few years time (once they work out what to do with a million ambit modems that are incapable of more than 3meg!! ), and some competition might happen......................... when BT work out how to make their network capable of backhauling any more data than it does now...

I do, however, support a bit of flexibility, in the form of capacity-based charging. My hosting provider charge me 0.5p per megabyte over 10gig/month. That works out at 50p/gig after the initial 10. £5-£10 per extra 10gig a month? It could work