Unstoppable migration? - Page 40

Osem · 13-09-2015, 20:37

Isn't the EU full of surprises...

The more this carp goes on the more I want out.

Evidently Germany's Interior Minister and Vice Chancellor has said migrants can't choose the country they go to. I may be wrong but I think it's a bit late to be telling them that isn't it? The Germans welcomed them but a few days ago...

Osem · 14-09-2015, 07:54

This makes interesting reading and none of it comes as a surprise to me.

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As the migrant influx continues, the 'Refugees Welcome' high is beginning to wear off. People are beginning to wonder if Germany will really be able to cope with all the newcomers. And the system is already completely overwhelmed.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...a-1052546.html

For reasons best known to Merkel and without much thought for the problems neighbouring countries will face as a result, Germany has sent out the clear message that if you are a refugee you are welcome there. It has done this seemingly with little or no appreciation of the huge ramifications of such a move. If you're going to raise the expectations of desperate people you'd better make sure you can honour your promises and if you're going to make promises which are going to direct affect your neighbours and supposed partners in Europe, it might be nice to seek their agreement first.

techguyone · 14-09-2015, 10:50

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Originally Posted by Osem

Isn't the EU full of surprises...

The more this carp goes on the more I want out.

Evidently Germany's Interior Minister and Vice Chancellor has said migrants can't choose the country they go to. I may be wrong but I think it's a bit late to be telling them that isn't it? The Germans welcomed them but a few days ago...

It's a good thing... for people wanting OUT of the EU, hopefully it'll become enough of a nightmare over there that we'll overwhelmingly vote to leave.

Osem · 14-09-2015, 17:29

More EU states impose border controls:

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Austria, Slovakia and the Netherlands said they would tighten controls, hours after Germany imposed checks on its border with Austria.

It comes as EU interior ministers hold talks in Brussels on the crisis.

Hungary also completed its fence along the border with Serbia on Monday, and blocked a railway line used as the main crossing point by migrants.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34242123

Well that should slow down things in Calais a tad...

Honestly, if the EU is this rubbish by dithering interminably in an entirely predictable crisis which has unfolded over several years, just how bad is it going to be in a calamity which demands rapid and decisive action?

OLD BOY · 14-09-2015, 18:11

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Originally Posted by Taf

And now the Germans closes the border... in violation of EU "free movement" Schengen agreements. But they probably wrote-in a get-out clause.

It's not a violation as long as it doesn't exceed 30 days.

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Originally Posted by Osem

Isn't the EU full of surprises...

The more this carp goes on the more I want out.

Evidently Germany's Interior Minister and Vice Chancellor has said migrants can't choose the country they go to. I may be wrong but I think it's a bit late to be telling them that isn't it? The Germans welcomed them but a few days ago...

How exactly does that comply with the Schengen (no borders) Agreement? Honestly, does the EU actually know what they are doing?

Taf · 14-09-2015, 18:36

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Originally Posted by Osem

The Germans welcomed them but a few days ago...

And years ago... gastwerkers from Turkey that had no real rights in the country and worked for low wages. Now the gastwerkers are up in arms as their jobs are under threat.

Osem · 14-09-2015, 18:48

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Originally Posted by Taf

And years ago... gastwerkers from Turkey that had no real rights in the country and worked for low wages. Now the gastwerkers are up in arms as their jobs are under threat.

Who could have foreseen that this would end up causing so much tension eh?...

As I've said consistently, those affected by this mass migration won't be the Merkels, Junckers, Geldofs and Bonos of this world, it'll be those whose jobs, prospects, services and benefits come under direct pressure and yes, that'll include other migrant groups.

Ignitionnet · 14-09-2015, 22:10

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

How exactly does that comply with the Schengen (no borders) Agreement? Honestly, does the EU actually know what they are doing?

I think the question posed in your last sentence has been answered many times.

They haven't a clue. They stumble from disaster to disaster, blinded by ideology, and desperately rely on Germany's guilt over World Wars 1 and 2 to hold the project together, alongside them, us, and a very few other member states bankrolling it.

Arthurgray50@blu · 14-09-2015, 23:00

What annoys me is that Cameron and his puppets have agreed to put OUR money into Syria, in the hope that it will help migrants in camps there - who knows if OUR money it will get there

**Hugh** · 14-09-2015, 23:13

Bless....

Ignitionnet · 14-09-2015, 23:22

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

What annoys me is that Cameron and his puppets have agreed to put OUR money into Syria, in the hope that it will help migrants in camps there - who knows if OUR money it will get there

Given it's going to the UNHCR it seems a reasonable assumption.

Ignitionnet · 16-09-2015, 10:45

So Charlie Hebdo do a couple of very cutting cartoons mocking the way Europe have responded to the refugee crisis.

The Daily Mail of all outlets trumpet the offence police's efforts to be too offended to actually bother comprehending them.

Meanwhile the French seem to have no idea what the fuss is about.

**Chris** · 16-09-2015, 10:51

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

So Charlie Hebdo do a couple of very cutting cartoons mocking the way Europe have responded to the refugee crisis.

The Daily Mail of all outlets trumpet the offence police's efforts to be too offended to actually bother comprehending them.

Meanwhile the French seem to have no idea what the fuss is about.

And none of those concerned will feel the need to pick up a gun and shoot up the newsroom. Sounds like a well-functioning, open democracy to me.

Osem · 16-09-2015, 17:33

It's tear gas, razor wire and water cannon now. Where has all the applause and cyber-sympathy gone?

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Hungarian riot police have fired tear gas and water cannon to force back migrants who broke through gates at the now closed Serbia-Hungary border.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34272212

Desperate people do desperate things and it should never have been allowed to get to this point. Having encouraged this to happen and seen the consequences, even now they're dithering about what to do.

Anyway, I wonder what wrath the EU will bring down on the Hungarians for daring to take their own decisions just like the Germans did...

Horizon · 16-09-2015, 23:48

.....I'm wondering what will happen when one of these "refugees" lets off a bomb at a German or Austrian train station.... it'll pretty much kill off border-less travel within the EU instantly, may even kill off the EU itself.