06-05-2021, 19:21
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Originally Posted by Carth
Probably spot on.
Does anyone on here vote for a party with the understanding that they (the party) will never, ever, take part in anything underhand, corrupt or involve telling the odd lie occasionally?
Come on, own up . . who believes their party of choice is whiter than white (ooooh am I allowed to say that? )
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That's exactly what I expect of all of them, I will never accept the cop out of they're all at it, I expect it but when they're exposed I want them kicked out of office never to return. One of the politicians I most admire is John Profumo, not for what he did obviously but for the way he conducted himself afterwards and when he died I hope he felt he'd redeemed himself and his reputation
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06-05-2021, 20:34
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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That's exactly what I expect of all of them, I will never accept the cop out of they're all at it, I expect it but when they're exposed I want them kicked out of office never to return. One of the politicians I most admire is John Profumo, not for what he did obviously but for the way he conducted himself afterwards and when he died I hope he felt he'd redeemed himself and his reputation
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What he did?
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06-05-2021, 21:09
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
That's exactly what I expect of all of them, I will never accept the cop out of they're all at it, I expect it but when they're exposed I want them kicked out of office never to return. One of the politicians I most admire is John Profumo, not for what he did obviously but for the way he conducted himself afterwards and when he died I hope he felt he'd redeemed himself and his reputation
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I most admire Christine Keeler.
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06-05-2021, 21:20
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Originally Posted by Carth
Probably spot on.
Does anyone on here vote for a party with the understanding that they (the party) will never, ever, take part in anything underhand, corrupt or involve telling the odd lie occasionally?
Come on, own up . . who believes their party of choice is whiter than white (ooooh am I allowed to say that? )
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Well exactly. You can vote for a party on that assumption but you can still then criticise them for the things you don't like. I can understand people thinking the Tories are corrupt but they believe Labour/others are worse. It's when people go further than that and personally defend them as if they were their family that I can't understand.
Politicians going for power can screw you whoever you vote for and at any time and they won't give a flying toss if you've been loyal to them.
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06-05-2021, 21:55
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Originally Posted by Damien
Well exactly. You can vote for a party on that assumption but you can still then criticise them for the things you don't like. I can understand people thinking the Tories are corrupt but they believe Labour/others are worse. It's when people go further than that and personally defend them as if they were their family that I can't understand.
Politicians going for power can screw you whoever you vote for and at any time and they won't give a flying toss if you've been loyal to them.
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Corruption is now OK, that's what we're saying. Standards in public life have never been lower. Maybe its because our own standards have never been lower? We reap what we sow...
The biggest crook is running the country and laughing at us all, whether we voted for him or not. What jolly japes for him.
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06-05-2021, 22:13
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Corruption is now OK
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The human race is naturally corrupt.
In the words of Mr Bridger, “ Camp Freddie, everybody in the world is bent”
It’s a matter of degrees.
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06-05-2021, 22:16
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Corruption is now OK, that's what we're saying. Standards in public life have never been lower. Maybe its because our own standards have never been lower? We reap what we sow...
The biggest crook is running the country and laughing at us all, whether we voted for him or not. What jolly japes for him.
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Tut, Tut. I hope for your sake that his lawyers aren't reading Mr. K's post.
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06-05-2021, 22:18
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Tut, Tut. I hope for your sake that his lawyers aren't reading Mr. K's post.
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His lawyers have got a lot more to worry about !
Whether they'll get paid for starters, or be reliant on Boris to get a loan....
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07-05-2021, 00:18
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Originally Posted by Pierre
The human race is naturally corrupt.
In the words of Mr Bridger, “ Camp Freddie, everybody in the world is bent”
It’s a matter of degrees.
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No, it isn’t- but a reasonable percentage is.
But the more people accept that view, the more it will be.
The old "why bother, everyone’s doing it" excuse, put forward by those who want excuse their own corruption (and I don’t mean you when I say this, I mean as a general "get out of jail" card).
As a race, we aspire to improve (abolishing slavery, trying for equal rights, the NHS, etc.), but there are always those who say "nah, why bother, it will just be abused/misused".
JFK said it best - "Some men see things as they are and ask 'Why?
' I dream things that never were and ask, 'Why not? '”
Robert Browning - "Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, Or what's a heaven for?"
If we can’t try to be better, what’s the point?
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07-05-2021, 02:02
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
What he did?
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Yes, getting caught lying to the House of Commons, thought it was well known
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Originally Posted by Hugh
No, it isn’t- but a reasonable percentage is.
But the more people accept that view, the more it will be.
The old "why bother, everyone’s doing it" excuse, put forward by those who want excuse their own corruption (and I don’t mean you when I say this, I mean as a general "get out of jail" card).
As a race, we aspire to improve (abolishing slavery, trying for equal rights, the NHS, etc.), but there are always those who say "nah, why bother, it will just be abused/misused".
JFK said it best - "Some men see things as they are and ask 'Why?
' I dream things that never were and ask, 'Why not? '”
Robert Browning - "Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, Or what's a heaven for?"
If we can’t try to be better, what’s the point?
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07-05-2021, 07:25
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
It’s official the Labour Party is screwed. If they can’t hold a seat that has always been Labour, after two years of Boris..........
Was is Teesside or around there, where is was said you could pin a rosette on a monkey and it would win? Well not any more.
Now that Labour have officially lost the working class what do they stand for? They could always rename themselves the Anti-curtains party. But don’t limit themselves to curtains they can fight against all forms of haberdashery.
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07-05-2021, 07:43
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
Labour didn't lose because they're going after the Tories for being corrupt. People don't care but it's a mistake to think they like that Johnson is doing these kinds of things. It's just they hate Labour more.
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07-05-2021, 07:47
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
Thread re-named ...
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07-05-2021, 08:07
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
A problem will be, and always been, that the Left see any loss as being from Labour not being Hard Left enough. As if Labour voters turn to the Conservatives or even the Lib Dems, because Labour aren't far enough to the Left,
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07-05-2021, 08:24
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
Fundamentally bland centrism has had its day, and did a decent job at the time of holding together the left with enough Tory voters to win few elections society is more polarised now.
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