Should Corporal Punishment Be Brought Back ? - Page 4

paulyoung666 · 21-02-2004, 18:09

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

The day the cane was banned in school was the day discipline went out of the window.The amount of times the cane was actually used in the schools I attended was minute but discipline was good.

Now you can't even push a disruptive student out of a classroom without them threatening to get their particular adult up the school.The brightest and best student's education is being held hostage by these lazy and uncooperative louts.

If corporal punishment is not to be used then I think it is the parents who must face discipline if their children WON'T behave in class.A fine or two might work.Just like the ones when a parent doesn't stop their child truanting and are taken to court.

Incog.

exactly , detterent , or however you spell it

Stuartbe · 21-02-2004, 18:09

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Originally Posted by Bifta

Difficult to say, there's an unlimited amount of other non-violent punishments you can inflict. Bullies cower when their victims stand up to them, not when their parents join in on the act.

WRONG - Bullies get the other bullies to give you a good kicking in my experience !

Bifta · 21-02-2004, 18:10

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Originally Posted by stuartbe

WRONG - Bullies get the other bullies to give you a good kicking in my experience !

Certainly not in mine, a swift kick in the gonads to them did the trick. so it's not "WRONG" it's only wrong in your experience, you shouldn't assume that yours applies to everyone else.

Russ · 21-02-2004, 18:12

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Originally Posted by stuartbe

WRONG - Bullies get the other bullies to give you a good kicking in my experience !

I agree - in my school if you stoof up to bullies they'd just go and more and bigger mates to gang up on you.

Bifta · 21-02-2004, 18:14

I think it depends on the type of person the bully is, if you're getting bullied by a crowd of people then I'd have suggested you get your parents to visit the police, if it's one (and frequently they are nothing more than inadequate loners) then give back what they dish out.

**Maggy** · 21-02-2004, 18:16

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Originally Posted by Bifta

Certainly not in mine, a swift kick in the gonads to them did the trick. so it's not "WRONG" it's only wrong in your experience, you shouldn't assume that yours applies to everyone else.

You would appear to be advocating bullying.I hope not.

Ramrod · 21-02-2004, 18:16

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Originally Posted by stuartbe

Unless you have been through it there is no way to describe it. This is why many children commit suicide !!! It grinds you down and makes you want to end it all.

Thats what made me take up Karate (the lack of effective disipline in UK schools-I had to look after myself, the teachers were powerless). If caning had been in place I am sure I would not have been put through my misery

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I experienced almost no bullying in South Africa (they had caning), It started big time when I went to school here.

Bifta · 21-02-2004, 18:18

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

You would appear to be advocating bullying.I hope not.

wtf? How on EARTH did you come to that conclusion from me saying I gave a bully a kick in the nuts?

Ramrod · 21-02-2004, 18:22

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Originally Posted by Bifta

Even relatively moderate spanking can be physically dangerous. Blows to the lower end of the spinal column send shock waves along the length of the spine, and may injure the child. The prevalence of lower back pain among adults in our society may well have its origins in childhood punishment. Some children have become paralyzed through nerve damage from spanking, and some have died after mild paddlings, due to undiagnosed medical complications.

I suppose you can never say never but I find that statement laughable.
If a child was going to get an injury to their spine or nervous system through spanking then they would have suffered that injury sooner or later through normal activities. The mere fact that your quoted site spouts such drivel puts the rest of it's statements in doubt.

Ramrod · 21-02-2004, 18:24

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Originally Posted by stuartbe

Well - Was smacked by my parents when I was a child..... I am not mentaly or physicaly scared.....

I am a very happy adult with a full time job who loves his parents very much. I respect them for bringing me up in the best way they could !

I second that

Bifta · 21-02-2004, 18:25

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

I suppose you can never say never but I find that statement laughable.
If a child was going to get an injury to their spine or nervous system through spanking then they would have suffered that injury sooner or later through normal activities. The mere fact that your quoted site spouts such drivel puts the rest of it's statements in doubt.

Obviously you missed the part that say's

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Some children have become paralyzed through nerve damage from spanking

Unless you have a differing source then can I assume that your last post is only your personal conjecture?

Ramrod · 21-02-2004, 18:26

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Originally Posted by Bifta

The cane/slipper and various other methods of corporal punishment were used in my school (around 18+ years ago), one particular student laughed at the headmaster after receiving a good caning, he went on to commit armed robbery 5 years after leaving school and did a good stretch inside. Another student decided it was better to kick the games teacher half to death just in case, the teachers used to go around in pairs for fear of getting knifed ... all this (and worse) in a school that used corporal punishment.

Hmmmmm....I wonder if thats because they used to get kicks and punches from their parents so a cane wasn't really a deterrent?

Stuartbe · 21-02-2004, 18:26

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Originally Posted by Bifta

wtf? How on EARTH did you come to that conclusion from me saying I gave a bully a kick in the nuts?

Trouble is that it can cause more trouble.

I know this for a fact. It was me asking one of the bullies for a fight and beating him that led to both my legs being broken (getting thrown down a set of stairs by 20+ lads tends to do this)

Ramrod · 21-02-2004, 18:27

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Originally Posted by Bifta

Obviously you missed the part that say's

Unless you have a differing source then can I assume that your last post is only your personal conjecture?

My conjecture as an expert on spinal matters...it is my job.

**Maggy** · 21-02-2004, 18:27

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Originally Posted by Bifta

The cane/slipper and various other methods of corporal punishment were used in my school (around 18+ years ago), one particular student laughed at the headmaster after receiving a good caning, he went on to commit armed robbery 5 years after leaving school and did a good stretch inside. Another student decided it was better to kick the games teacher half to death just in case, the teachers used to go around in pairs for fear of getting knifed ... all this (and worse) in a school that used corporal punishment.

My corporal punishment experience comes from 40 odd years ago.Yes one student tried beating up a staff member but all that got them was a visit from the police and an expulsion from school.the headmaster never ever really had to use the cane.The occasions he did it was done in public because his office was too small and because the school was built as a quadrangle we could all see discipline being administered.Have to say that I learned the lesson that the lout never did learn.
All my other experience comes from being in the frontline.I'm entering my 30th year as a teacher.I've never hit a student nor caned or slippered them.

However I've been pushed,shoved,punched from behind,trapped in cupboards,had doors locked on me,had my personal property stolen/damaged,had my car vandalised and my personal space is constantly violated.

This NEVER happened when I was a pupil 40 odd years ago.We would have NEVER DARED to do so.

Incog.