2mbit NTL BB Campaign - Page 4

kinkyafro · 24-12-2003, 13:13

It'll never happen, crap service coupled with CAP= no take up

**Paul** · 24-12-2003, 13:15

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Originally Posted by zovat

Same here - what is the point in a 2mb service if you cannot utilise it for more than a few hours a day ....

How does a cap prevent you using it for more than a few hours a day ??

LooeyUK · 24-12-2003, 17:14

Thats what im thinking too? Past 2 and half weeks ive been downloading about 5-6 gb per day

Chrysalis · 26-12-2003, 22:57

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Originally Posted by pem

How does a cap prevent you using it for more than a few hours a day ??

Depends if the cap is enforced, I dont know if this was a sarcastic question asked by you or not, if it's not enforced then its not going to make any difference, but if we have this 1gig/day cap enforced on a 2mbit service I would expect near 0% takeup. It costs the isp the same to provide 2mbit burst traffic as 1mbit and if they were to have the same traffic limit there is no justification in a higher price on the higher tier, this actually currently goes for the current tiering as well.

asdf · 27-12-2003, 00:25

I think he was saying that you can use it for more than a few hours a day. How many people actually sit there using 100% of the connection all the time, anyways?

I like the higher speed connections so that I can get quick bursts of traffic - not for downloading more 24/7, merely just getting what I normally get, but quicker

Sherlock614 · 27-12-2003, 10:23

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Originally Posted by asdf

I think he was saying that you can use it for more than a few hours a day. How many people actually sit there using 100% of the connection all the time, anyways?

I like the higher speed connections so that I can get quick bursts of traffic - not for downloading more 24/7, merely just getting what I normally get, but quicker

Agreed....

I have the 1mb service and hardly use it's capabilities. I have it because it's available to have.
If there was a 2mb service i would have that. If there was a 6mb i would have that.

It's the "choice" that i want, not the 20gb a day downloads.

Ramrod · 27-12-2003, 12:17

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Originally Posted by asdf

I think he was saying that you can use it for more than a few hours a day. How many people actually sit there using 100% of the connection all the time, anyways?

I like the higher speed connections so that I can get quick bursts of traffic - not for downloading more 24/7, merely just getting what I normally get, but quicker

Thats how I feel. Couldn't have put it better myself!

Chrysalis · 27-12-2003, 12:37

well I think you will find that the difference between 20 gig a day and 30 gig a month is not something that can be ignored, 20 gig a day is abuse and 30 gig a month on a 2mbit service is very low, please don't assume that because someone doesnt like a limit fit for a much lower type of service that they want to download 24/7. Also everyday use can be classified as many things of course but if you were to buy 2mbit for web browsing, email and the odd driver download then you would be wasting your money my friend.

I thought of the following thoery

1 - NTL Never release a 2mbit product and keep the existing caps, resulting in high % of customers on lower teir products, but they have no need to upgrade infrastructure.

2 - NTL provide 2mbit but with the universal cap they have in place, even with the 30gig cap it would still be priced at a premium, low takeup would happen and NTL would probably get away with not upgrading infrastructure.

3 - NTL provide 2mbit and change the capping system accordingaly so now with each tier you get a higher cap leaving the 2mbit with a reasonable cap of approx 100-150gig a month, moderate takeup moving users from lower tiers to higher tiers increasing turnover for company and reputation but infrastructure would need an upgrade, unacceptable to NTL.

4 - NTL provide 2mbit and remove all capping, maximum reputation gain and growth, but infrastructure could cripple without proper upgrading. This would never happen.

Of course there are people here saying they are happily downloading tiny amounts of data and just want burst speed but that costs the isp nothing, normally on flat rate internet services such as what we have here when you pay for more speed the isp assumes you are going to download more thats why it costs more, but NTL are playing a fool's game where there is no extra bandwidth on the higher speed packages and they still charge more, I believe I have NEVER seen this on another isp anywhere.

(we know caps are not currently enforced but NTL did try to pull this off)

DrAwesome · 29-12-2003, 21:27

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

everyday use can be classified as many things of course but if you were to buy 2mbit for web browsing, email and the odd driver download then you would be wasting your money my friend.

Subscribing to the lowest BB tier for web browsing, email and the odd driver download you would be wasting your money.

Subscribing to a 2mb internet connection means you have the speed if you need it.

Sherlock614 · 30-12-2003, 00:54

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Originally Posted by DrAwesome

Subscribing to a 2mb internet connection means you have the speed if you need it.

My feelings exactly.

I don't download much at all, but to get 250kb/s when i need it is what i want to pay for.

An upload speed greater than 30kb/s would be most welcome though

Chrysalis · 30-12-2003, 03:03

I think you guys have it all wrong, none of you are saying how often you need it.

But buying a package just incase you might need the speed doesn't justify the extra money, quite simply put extra speed normally means extra bandwidth usage, I know its not always the case but most of the time it is.

I download a fair few iso's every month so hence I need a high speed tier, if I know I wont be downloading any iso's during the month or anything a similiar size I will downgrade my connection there is no doubt about it.

I will say it again, burst speeds cost the isp nothing and unless you get something else extra then you shouldn't be paying extra money for it, thats why the traffic quote for each tier should be higher.

DrAwesome · 30-12-2003, 07:08

customers subscribe to a service to suit their needs if their isp does not and has no intension or cannot afford the service that customers require then the simple thing to do is move to an isp that will provide the service.

Buying a package 150/600/1meg just incase you might need the speed doesn't justify the extra money either, but customers have a choice regardless of weather its a waste of money as its their choice and their money.

NTL every month gather a huge amount of money (i dredd to think what the amount is but i wouldnt mind that kinda money going into my bank account every month) from their customers that subscribe to their internet services if NTL cannot invest in their BB service, with the amount of cash continually coming in each month then they shouldnt be in business,

i have lost count of how many times:

the NTL news service stopped working because of over subscription,

customers have to complain because of oversubscribed UBR's,

the NTL email system has broke down

since NTL introduced BB to the public they have not set the standard they have always followed way way behind with regards to upgrading tiers and prices.

The bottom line is that NTL cannot afford a 2meg service to keep up with their competitors regardless of weather their customers want it or not.