[Merged] Car Phone Warehouse BB

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by Jack001

So is it better to stick with NTLs 2MB for £19.99 or go with TalkTalk?

I'd sit and wait, SKY have plans to bring in a similar product - ie. a LLU package which is likely to be 'free' for subscribers who have a premium package - i.e. movies and sports or HD or SKY+. Things are going to rapidly change in the market over the next 6-12 months - so signing an 18month contract with TalkTalk could be unwise.

[paul11974]

ok i am going to give ntl 1 month to reply to this deal and if they cant then im off

broadband & free uk calls & freeview for £21

cable tv & talk local & 1mb broadband for £40 average per month

they can spend a billion pounds to change there name but i would like some value for my money please

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by DaggaDagga

I for one am going to wait for at least a couple of months to see how many complaints there are. There are bound to be some whingers, as there are at any ISP. I guess the main thing is to try ringing customer services before signing up - if they don't answer in 10 minutes then forget it.

talktalk already have a poor reputation for service on their existing broadband products.

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Originally Posted by dcclanuk

wat does this all mean for ntl customers tho? i mean will we benefit from the competition? as after todays bill including the price rises, it seems anything but prices falling

yes you will benefit from the competition. and the only price change I can think of recently in NTL's BB product range is the 10meg product being reduced to £35 a month from £38.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

that's because it's LLU which means low prices but a lot of pain for some time to come. see Wanadoo storys for details of the pain. eg. my friend is on Wanadoo - for a month now her adsl has been down, they have been telling her it's a BT fault and they dont know how long it will be until it's fixed. they wont allow her out of her contract. they have now put her on dial up. I found out about this at the w/end and sent her links from the register and told her to complain to wanadoo as it's their LLU that's the fault not BT. She rang Wandaoo and they agreed the problem was LLU but said it was BT's fault and hard luck, enjoy your dial up!

LLU isn't the leading edge of broadband, it's the bleeding edge.

Wanadoo's issue's were caused by Wanadoo: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04...doo_llu_fault/

[etccarmageddon]

that's right Neil and my point is - CPW customers could suffer the same fate.

[Zee]

I'm also going to give NTL about a month or more to respond to this offer or i'm off aswell

[Derek]

I'm going to predict TalkTalk being on Watchdog within the next 3 months.

Hopefully they'll get it right and cause an overall drop in prices throughout the market but whenever a company tries to expand very quickly (Ntl free dialup, bulldog, freeserve etc.) there always seems to be problems.

Its not very reassuring to see the TalkTalk site already buckling under the strain and the availability checker being offline.

[King Of Fools]

Originally Posted by paul11974

ok i am going to give ntl 1 month to reply to this deal and if they cant then im off

broadband & free uk calls & freeview for £21

cable tv & talk local & 1mb broadband for £40 average per month

Well, given you have already said that you do not have a BT line installed you will have to wait a year to move onto TalkTalk unless you want to pay BT an extra £132 on top of the £99 install to get out of their contract early!

[Derek]

I'm sure TalkTalk can install a line for you (but probably a £99+ install)

Is the BT standard contract not only 3 months anyway?

Still I reckon the lead time for installations will start growing pretty quickly.

[DaggaDagga]

Originally Posted by dezzo

Its not very reassuring to see the TalkTalk site already buckling under the strain and the availability checker being offline.

To be fair, demand must be pretty exceptional today. It's not often that a company undercuts everyone else by 50%, for a product that millions of people buy. The big rush would have been lunchtime when I, and many others, read the BBC news website - it was one of their top stories.

You can't expect them to buy enough servers for this tidal wave, as it will probably not happen again after today.

[King Of Fools]

Originally Posted by dezzo

I'm sure TalkTalk can install a line for you (but probably a £99+ install)

If it is like other LLU offerings then the requirement will be that you already have a BT line installed.

Originally Posted by dezzo

Is the BT standard contract not only 3 months anyway?

The BT contract is 3 months for reconnections (no install required) or 12 months for new installations.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by King Of Fools

If it is like other LLU offerings then the requirement will be that you already have a BT line installed.

The last time I was looking at a LLU offering I was sure there was an option to get the line installed at the same time. I'll have a dig around and check.

EDIT: Bulldog seem to be able to supply a new line during the ordering process

Originally Posted by King Of Fools

The BT contract is 3 months for reconnections (no install required) or 12 months for new installations.

A that explain things then. Cheers for that.

[paul11974]

can you use a bulldog line to connect to talk talk then ?

[etccarmageddon]

Bulldog is FULL local loop unbundling which means they unbundle the voice and data part and therefore can do the line install. all other LLU operators that I can think of do the partial LLU ie. just the ADSL part - so BT are responsible for the line install. if they unbundle the data part I think they pay BT £1.66 a month for the line - full unbundle increases the cost to around £6.66.

and no you cant buy a bulldog line and put someone else's ADSL on it.

[Derek]

BT are fighting back

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04...phone_bt_ploy/

Originally Posted by El Reg

"As for this being 'free' broadband, it is only 'free' if you pay them hundreds of pounds a year for other services. We'd advise people to take a careful look at the small print as there are plenty of extra costs."