Sacked by Ntl. - Page 4

Nor · 17-10-2003, 00:15

I only think the mods were involved because someone would have to tell ntl what the IP was in the first instance. Not that they had any major involvement in it really.

Steve H · 17-10-2003, 00:27

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Originally Posted by Nor

I only think the mods were involved because someone would have to tell ntl what the IP was in the first instance. Not that they had any major involvement in it really.

Since NTL own the boards, I presume they just checked themselves anyway...

They're adding news to the frontpages.. So I assume they have complete access.. Well I dont assume - They do.

Page · 17-10-2003, 00:40

This is not the first time that I have heard about ntl getting rid of someone because of their involvement with the site at www.nthellworld.com I think it is silly but then I have also heard about people from ntl accessing peoples accounts with ntl to spy on them and track them. This may be complete rubbish but I have been told this by a number of people who introduced me to these forums when this one was first starting up. I had a look around and wandered off again at the time but everyone has to start somewhere and I wasn't too comfortable with the site until things got cleared up as I thought that this one and the other one were the same but they are not and this is good.

cjll3 · 17-10-2003, 09:03

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Originally Posted by Nor

I only think the mods were involved because someone would have to tell ntl what the IP was in the first instance. Not that they had any major involvement in it really.

That depends on when ntl got that IP address, before, after or during Ash G's takeover of the server, hence my previous question.

Russ · 17-10-2003, 09:53

NtlRebelReborn - don't worry, Grace Welch just loves her gross misconduct disciplineries - just go for the appeal and get ready for that annoying Scottish accent to whinge

ian@huth · 17-10-2003, 10:08

I would ask the data controller at NTL for a copy of all information that they have regarding yourself, both on computer and paper. They are obliged by the data protection act to supply you with this and it can be quite revealing and sometimes results in them thinking twice about the original decision. If you are considering an appeal or tribunal, make sure that you follow the grievance procedure and that NTL are also abiding by it. It may cost you a tenner but it may be very worthwhile.

I don't know whether Frank has made such a request but if he hasn't it would be a good thing for him to do.

Similarly people with problems with NTL can make a similar request and it will show them whether NTL have made any system notes, etc on the problems they are having.

Mark W · 17-10-2003, 10:28

This should be a flashing warning in big neon signs for NTL employees.....

last week a customer service chap got the sack for mentioning a new product ntl are brining out (tho to be fair, that was company confidential so not all that surprising), so BEWARE, big brother IS watching YOU......

Russ · 17-10-2003, 10:33

The way to annoy NTL in times like this is to play them at their own game.

For those who don't know, the way NTL carry out things like this is as follows:

You get an initial 'fact finding' interview where a TL or above sits you down and tells you what you've been accused of and if you have anything to say for yourself. After this, depending on the seriousness of the charge you might be suspended with pay while it's investigated, or you might be allowed to carry on with work or whatever, until the date of the official hearing (or a letter which tells you no further action will be taken) where the facts of the matter are outlined again, allong with the decision by NTL.

Note that in the hearing meeting, you are permitted to have a witness of your own choice (a union rep, if you are a mamber) present during the proceedings which of course is fair enough. But what most people don't know is that during the 'fact-finding' meeting, you are not allowed to have anyone in with you, despite NTL being permitted to have whoever they want present. And bear in mind the things you say in this meeting can have an outcome on NTL's decision.

The best way to go about this is to say *nothing* during the fact-finding as they've usually already made their minds up about you at this point. You are quite within your rights to stay silent on the grounds of you not being granted an independant witness of your choice. Similarly NTL cannot take any action against you because of your silence in this meeting.

Unfortunately for NtlRebelReborn this advice may be a little too late, but it's there if anyone else finds themselves in this situation again.

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last week a customer service chap got the sack for mentioning a new product ntl are brining out (tho to be fair, that was company confidential so not all that surprising), so BEWARE, big brother IS watching YOU......

However, such information is welcome on here and complete annonymity is assured at ALL times.

Neil · 17-10-2003, 10:36

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Originally Posted by Nor

It sounds to me like it got blown out of all proportion. Someone on the site obviously flagged it up. Whether it was an employee from that dept, whether it was a mod, whoever. The moderators were then clearly involved in tracing this person and finding out where they lived.

I can catagorically state 100% that neither myself/Ben/Mick gave anyone any details regarding ntlrebel's post, not only that but we have not been asked about him/her either. The first I knew about this was when I read the posts this morning.

Please get your facts straight before you start spouting rubbish.

Ant H/ntlrebel-I am genuinely sorry to hear of your situation, & feel free to contact me if you feel I can be of assistance in any way.

Neil · 17-10-2003, 10:39

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Originally Posted by Nor

I only think the mods were involved because someone would have to tell ntl what the IP was in the first instance. Not that they had any major involvement in it really.

See my reply above.

Nor-you are talking out of your ar$e-you clearly haven't thought about this at all, you have just presumed & thought you would post it to stir the $hit-grow up.

ian@huth · 17-10-2003, 10:42

Thanks for that Russ. Any written details of that fact finding interview must be recorded in writing for it to be accurately recalled at any subsequent disciplinary hearing. If you request copies of your file they are obliged to provide this and they are not allowed to blank out any part of it. Can make very interesting reading. The trouble is is that most people do not know their rights and often do not find them out until it is too late. Russ has some excellent advice there. It is better to say nothing and seek advice before you burn your bridges.

Russ · 17-10-2003, 10:44

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It is better to say nothing and seek advice before you burn your bridges.

Keeping quiet until the hearing should never be seen as an admission of guilt, no matter how much pressure NTL will put on someone as a result. It's just like being questioned by police and wanted to speak to a solicitor first.

Mark W · 17-10-2003, 10:46

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However, such information is welcome on here and complete annonymity is assured at ALL times.

lol, with my name?

besides, this new product is not all that earth shattering, youll find out about it soon enough

Russ · 17-10-2003, 10:48

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lol, with my name?

Actually if NTL wanted to get arsey about it, they'd still have to prove that the person who posts on here as Mark W is the same person who posts under that name on .com and to do so they'd need your .co.uk detail, such as IP address etc....which of course they'll never get

Russ · 17-10-2003, 11:15

Actually, as an afterthought, people might be interested in this.....

Back in October of last year, a tech in Swansea took a call from someone who wanted pictures removed from her webspace and didn't know how to do it. The tech helpfully showed her how it was done but she wasn't all that clear on the way it was done so he offered to do it for her. She gave him her webspace address only to find the pictures were of her in extremely pornographic photos. The tech promised to remove them for her.....but only after he'd emailed the link to a load of people in Matrix Court including some team leaders and above, some of whom passed them on to others etc....until one person objected and reported it, as they weren't happy about having a link to such material in their work Inbox.

An internal investigation was launched and the original tech in question was expecting to be severely booted and/or sacked for using the company email system for sending out this sort of filth.

It became apparent that if he was to be disciplined for sending it, then so were the others who passed it on as well, but seeing as some of them were team leaders and/or above, the whole incident was whitewashed apart from an email which went around to everyone in matrix Court warning them then any improper use of the email system would be dealt with.

So you can get away with 'breaking the rules' at NTL and be guilty of sackable offences, as long as you are high enough up the corperate ladder