Which person is worse?

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Maggy

As much as I am enjoying the to and fro I suspect this is a thread that's facing closure if everyone doesn't calm down and
avoid name calling.

That's exactly what they want Maggy. I predict that a tiny number of familiar names will ignore you're warning and carry on until dude's thread is closed. Then they'll move onto another if they stay true to form.

They don't realise that derailing threads to the point where a moderator has no alternative but to close it bores the vast majority of members who click on a thread because it looks of interest. They think that they are being clever and look good, if they did but know it it's quite thd opposite.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Sorry, just to clarify, are you accusing me of 'picking on you' because you have a disability?



1. I'm not picking on you because of your disability, I'm criticizing you heavily because of your toxic opinion.

2. Pretty sure you've been told by the mods about doing that before.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and to disagree with the opinions of others. However, the way that you have done this is not by debating the issues, but by blatant baiting and trolling.

You may feel smug that you have escaped disability up until now and that you can entertain yourself by running rings around neuro diverse people, but the majority of people will become disabled in their lifetime through accident, attack, disease or old age. If this doesn't affect you personally, then it's highly likely that it will affect one of your loved ones. As an example, it's predicted that about 50% of people will get cancer and that a similar number will get dementia.

How would you feel if one of your loved ones was affected by one of these conditions and someone were to follow them around the street making the sort of remarks that you have in thr manner that you have? Would you not think it wrong and that there life was challenging enough as it was?

If they had dementia and kept forgetting things and asking the same questions over and over and over again, would you start to publically criticise and belittle them and, if they became upset and complained, would you tell them that their illnessrs/disabilities were no excuse for their behaviour and attempt to gaslight an already vulnerable person into believing it was them that was the problem and any distress caused was entirely their own fault?

Have a think about what you're doing and do the right thing, you don't have to backtrack publicly on here if you're afraid of losing face have a quiet think about it on your own.

There's nothing to be ashamed of in making mistakes either. It takes a man to face up to them, let alone apologise for them and this is how we learn to become better people. I truly believe that it is this that is the meaning of life and why we come here on temporary visitation.

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Originally Posted by Russ

Here's the reason I specifically asked.

It's been noticed by some that my use of CF over the past 5/6 years has diminished. This is because I devoted a lot of my time to being part of a paedophile hunting group. Now I'm not interested in the discussion about whether they're a force for good or not (at least not in this thread) but I can tell you that in the 150 or so stings/cases I was involved with, I'd estimate 80% of the people caught claimed it was because they have ADHD, Aspergers, Autism, depression etc.

As a sufferer of ADHD and Aspergers myself that made my blood boil. I'm not disputing whether or not they had had any of the mentioned conditions. But their 'disability' was so often their go-to excuse for their behaviour.

Such disabilities are NEVER a legitimate reason for such behaviour.

I'd say it depends upon the person, the condition and it's severity.

Mental illnesses and disabilities can cloud a person's view of the world and what is right or wrong. Some sufferers know what they are doing, but don't fully appreciate the seriousness of their actions ie they could be treating it like a game, particularly if they see the world through the eyes of a child or have developmental problems.

Some adults feel inadequate compared to other adults and only feel confident with children that they can more easily relate to, whilst some simply view what we would call grooming as chatting to a friend like we used to when we were juveniles.

Add in, often unmet, adult sexuality to the mix and it's a recipe for disaster.

Some people may know exactly what they are doing and are attempting to use their condition as a smokescreen, but if any action is taken against them, mental health professionals will be assessing them to ascertain the correct position.

From what i've seen of these groups (and some are much more professional than others), the accused is usually asked if they have any mental or physical conditions, probably as part of the duty of care process. If they then go on to say that they have a mental illness/disability, the less professional groups start to say XYZ condition doesn't lead to a sexual attraction to children. The YouTube comments are then often filled with comments such as 'I have the same condition and I don't innapropriately speak to children online'.

I have some real life insight into this as a former member of our staff was seriously sexually abused by a man when he was a child. As is so often the case, his life fell apart as an adult due to various addictions and he confided all this with me. He is on the mend after receiving councilling and help to quit his substance addiction.

My point in sharing this is that someone else who had been abused as a child could go on to say that his addiction was his own fault and that the abuse that he'd suffered was being used as an excuse, their reason being that they hadn't turned to drugs.

Neither of these two situations are that simple for an unqualified person to assess.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I'd say it depends upon the person, the condition and it's severity.

Mental illnesses and disabilities can cloud a person's view of the world and what is right or wrong. Some sufferers know what they are doing, but don't fully appreciate the seriousness of their actions ie they could be treating it like a game, particularly if they see the world through the eyes of a child or have developmental problems.

Some adults feel inadequate compared to other adults and only feel confident with children that they can more easily relate to, whilst some simply view what we would call grooming as chatting to a friend like we used to when we were juveniles.

Add in, often unmet, adult sexuality to the mix and it's a recipe for disaster.

Some people may know exactly what they are doing and are attempting to use their condition as a smokescreen, but if any action is taken against them, mental health professionals will be assessing them to ascertain the correct position.

From what i've seen of these groups (and some are much more professional than others), the accused is usually asked if they have any mental or physical conditions, probably as part of the duty of care process. If they then go on to say that they have a mental illness/disability, the less professional groups start to say XYZ condition doesn't lead to child sex attraction. The YouTube comments are then often filled with comments such as 'I have the same condition and I don't innapropriately speak to children online'.

That is the biggest pile of brown-stuff I have ever seen you post.

You may have seen some clips online, I have witnessed 150+ cases live and in the flesh. I've read some of the vile chatlogs too.

Talking to and relating to kids is one thing but you know full well that's not what I'm talking about.

It's interesting in that each of the scenarios where the predators claim it's due to their "ADHD", or learning difficulties etc, during the chat they say such things to the decoy as "don't tell anyone about this, I'd get in trouble".

It is nothing to do with the "condition and its severity".

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and to disagree with the opinions of others. However, the way that you have done this is not by debating the issues, but by blatant baiting and trolling.

And people are entitled to believe your posts are also 'baiting and trolling'.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

These accusations were made in the media and not by myself. You seem hung up about this for some inexplicable reason, but the post made it clear that in these allegations, he was of a similar age to the other children. As previously stated, however, I doubt that the parents would find it any more acceptable because of this.

I can only think of one reason why you repeatedly regurgitate this in thread after thread that has nothing to do with this allegation. After going through this on at least four previous occasions and, considering that it does not concern you in any way, there is rrally nothing further to add.

I acknowledge that my disability affects my cognitive skills and can affect my ability to express myself effectively. This is true of all neuro diverse people.

As a result of this, and because I believe that you are gaslighting me, the contents of this thread have been reviewed by a disability support worker. In addition, I sent a link to it to a close friend who volunteers for Childline.

Neither party believes that it is me that is at fault here.

I hope that you are enjoying the output of GB News.

I think you'll find you were the only person to make this allegation and made no reference to him being of similar age in it either.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter
There have been allegations that one of the presenters masturbated in front of year 9 children. He has threatened legal action over this.

The reason I've regurgitated as you say is because of your point blank refusal to accept what you've written is plain wrong and bang out of order and after reviewing my posting history it's not at least 4 previous occasions at all, we've discussed it in the original GB News thread and this one, mainly because I try to keep interactions with you to a bare minimum because I find you so unpleasant

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Russ

That is the biggest pile of brown-stuff I have ever seen you post.

You may have seen some clips online, I have witnessed 150+ cases live and in the flesh. I've read some of the vile chatlogs too.

Talking to and relating to kids is one thing but you know full well that's not what I'm talking about.

It's interesting in that each of the scenarios where the predators claim it's due to their "ADHD", or learning difficulties etc, during the chat they say such things to the decoy as "don't tell anyone about this, I'd get in trouble".

It is nothing to do with the "condition and its severity".

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And people are entitled to believe your posts are also 'baiting and trolling'.

You have misunderstood. I'm talking about chats of a sexual nature.

As you will know yourself, mental health conditions do not necessarily equate to a lack of intelligence.

They may know what they are doing is wrong and take steps to try to not to get into trouble, but still not realise the seriousness or consequences of their actions.

There are some who believe that paedophilia is a mental illness in itself, it will be interesting to see the outcome of any research.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

You have misunderstood. I'm talking about chats of a sexual nature.

As you will know yourself, mental health conditions do not necessarily equate to a lack of intelligence.

They may know what they are doing is wrong and take steps to try to not to get into trouble, but still not realise the seriousness or consequences of their actions.

There are some who believe that paedophilia is a mental illness in itself, it will be interesting to see the outcome of any research.

Probably best not to try to sound like an authority on a subject you have little to no knowledge of, especially when discussing it with someone who is vastly more experienced.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I think you'll find you were the only person to make this allegation and made no reference to him being of similar age in it either.



The reason I've regurgitated as you say is because of your point blank refusal to accept what you've written is plain wrong and bang out of order and after reviewing my posting history it's not at least 4 previous occasions at all, we've discussed it in the original GB News thread and this one, mainly because I try to keep interactions with you to a bare minimum because I find you so unpleasant

This is simply not true, you have raised this repeatedly and the full facts of this allegation were made clear. We will have to agree to disagree if you believe otherwise.

I'm sorry that you feel this way. Can I ask you to put me on ignore for the benefit of all concerned? As it stands you are choosing to read posts that you claim to find so offensive, which is rather silly and counter productive.

This way you won't have to read what you regard to be unpleasant posts, I won't be exposed to your deeply unpleasant remarks whilst coping as best I can with my serious brain injury, others won't have to read your tedious interjections whilst topics are being discussed and it may well save the mods having to clean up threads etc.

Now, if only all of life's problems were as easy to resolve

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Originally Posted by Russ

Probably best not to try to sound like an authority on a subject you have little to no knowledge of, especially when discussing it with someone who is vastly more experienced.

I don't doubt that you have experience with these groups, but you have no idea what experience I have of the subject in any capacity. Most people choose not to disclose this for a wide variety of reasons.

[Russ]

You have not had any experience of being in a paedophile hunting team.

If you did then there’s no way you would have posted the above.

I’ll say it again. There is never any valid excuse of “neuro diversity” in these peoples’ actions.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Russ

You have not had any experience of being in a paedophile hunting team.

I haven't, but you don't know if I have or not. Assumptions are seldom true and never helpful

That is your unqualified opinion and you are entitled to hold it, but I disagree with your assessment of the situation.

Now, if you will excuse me, I have to go as it's shortly my time to speak to my specialist. I've been experiencing pain and weird sensations the last couple of days and it concerns me.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I haven't, but you don't know if I have or not. Assumptions are seldom true and never helpful

So my assumption was true then? Irony alert.

Enjoy your day.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

This is simply not true, you have raised this repeatedly and the full facts of this allegation were made clear. We will have to agree to disagree if you believe otherwise.

No we won't have to agree to disagree at all, my posting history is available for all to see simply by clicking my user name public profile

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I haven't, but you don't know if I have or not. Assumptions are seldom true and never helpful

That is your unqualified opinion and you are entitled to hold it, but I disagree with your assessment of the situation.

Now, if you will excuse me, I have to go as it's shortly my time to speak to my specialist. I've been experiencing pain and weird sensations the last couple of days and it concerns me.

You mean the assumption you made where you assumed that 'i had escaped disability'

Please tell me what makes you think I don't suffer from a disability ?

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

That's exactly what they want Maggy. I predict that a tiny number of familiar names will ignore you're warning and carry on until dude's thread is closed. Then they'll move onto another if they stay true to form.

They don't realise that derailing threads to the point where a moderator has no alternative but to close it bores the vast majority of members who click on a thread because it looks of interest. They think that they are being clever and look good, if they did but know it it's quite thd opposite.

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion and to disagree with the opinions of others. However, the way that you have done this is not by debating the issues, but by blatant baiting and trolling.

You may feel smug that you have escaped disability up until now and that you can entertain yourself by running rings around neuro diverse people, but the majority of people will become disabled in their lifetime through accident, attack, disease or old age. If this doesn't affect you personally, then it's highly likely that it will affect one of your loved ones. As an example, it's predicted that about 50% of people will get cancer and that a similar number will get dementia.

How would you feel if one of your loved ones was affected by one of these conditions and someone were to follow them around the street making the sort of remarks that you have in thr manner that you have? Would you not think it wrong and that there life was challenging enough as it was?

If they had dementia and kept forgetting things and asking the same questions over and over and over again, would you start to publically criticise and belittle them and, if they became upset and complained, would you tell them that their illnessrs/disabilities were no excuse for their behaviour and attempt to gaslight an already vulnerable person into believing it was them that was the problem and any distress caused was entirely their own fault?

Have a think about what you're doing and do the right thing, you don't have to backtrack publicly on here if you're afraid of losing face have a quiet think about it on your own.

There's nothing to be ashamed of in making mistakes either. It takes a man to face up to them, let alone apologise for them and this is how we learn to become better people. I truly believe that it is this that is the meaning of life and why we come here on temporary visitation.

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I'd say it depends upon the person, the condition and it's severity.

Mental illnesses and disabilities can cloud a person's view of the world and what is right or wrong. Some sufferers know what they are doing, but don't fully appreciate the seriousness of their actions ie they could be treating it like a game, particularly if they see the world through the eyes of a child or have developmental problems.

Some adults feel inadequate compared to other adults and only feel confident with children that they can more easily relate to, whilst some simply view what we would call grooming as chatting to a friend like we used to when we were juveniles.

Add in, often unmet, adult sexuality to the mix and it's a recipe for disaster.

Some people may know exactly what they are doing and are attempting to use their condition as a smokescreen, but if any action is taken against them, mental health professionals will be assessing them to ascertain the correct position.

From what i've seen of these groups (and some are much more professional than others), the accused is usually asked if they have any mental or physical conditions, probably as part of the duty of care process. If they then go on to say that they have a mental illness/disability, the less professional groups start to say XYZ condition doesn't lead to a sexual attraction to children. The YouTube comments are then often filled with comments such as 'I have the same condition and I don't innapropriately speak to children online'.

I have some real life insight into this as a former member of our staff was seriously sexually abused by a man when he was a child. As is so often the case, his life fell apart as an adult due to various addictions and he confided all this with me. He is on the mend after receiving councilling and help to quit his substance addiction.

My point in sharing this is that someone else who had been abused as a child could go on to say that his addiction was his own fault and that the abuse that he'd suffered was being used as an excuse, their reason being that they hadn't turned to drugs.

Neither of these two situations are that simple for an unqualified person to assess.

It was your use of the word Troll which caused me to post that warning so you needn't think you are innocent in this

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

No we won't have to agree to disagree at all, my posting history is available for all to see simply by clicking my user name public profile

Indeed it is.

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Originally Posted by Russ

So my assumption was true then? Irony alert.

Enjoy your day.

Thank you. It's been a rather strange day, but I feel a bit better now that i've spoken to my specialist.

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Originally Posted by Russ

So my assumption was true then? Irony alert.

Enjoy your day.

Thank you. It's been a rather strange day, but I feel a bit better now that I've spoken to my specialist. I had to take something and have only just woken up!!! I'm still very groggy, tired and feeling like i'm here but not here if you know what I mean. He's given me a sleeping tablet to take, so it won't be long before I'm back in bed.

Do you upload your stings? I'd be interested in seeing some. You can PM it to me if you don't want to post this publically.

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Originally Posted by Maggy

It was your use of the word Troll which caused me to post that warning so you needn't think you are innocent in this

This was my assessment of the situation. Because my brain injury affects my cognitive abilities and, as a result of this, I acknowledge that I can sometimes misinterpret things or express myself badly, I asked two people to independently assess the overall situation. One in an official capacity, my disability support worker and the other a friend who works for childline. Both agreed that it was trolling and one said that she thinks it's online bullying.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

You mean the assumption you made where you assumed that 'i had escaped disability'

Please tell me what makes you think I don't suffer from a disability ?

I assume that people don't have a disability unless they choose to disclose this.

Please don't talk in riddles as it's difficult for me to understand and could be viewed as you trying to run rings around a severely disabled person.

If you are disabled, then you should know better. However, just because one person has a disability doesn't necessarily mean that they will understand and empathise with the disability of another. A wheelchair user, for example, won't automatically understand someone with mental incapacity issues, but they should at least try.

Also, being disabled oneself doesn't mean that you cannot be guilty of unlawfully discriminating against others on the grounds of disability. That would be like saying that a black man cannot be guilty of unlawful racism!

I remember when you first joined the forum and you weren't at all antagonistic or rude. I suspect that you've slipped into this as a form of defense because of the actions of the others that do this, it is easy to slip into without even realising it.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Do you upload your stings? I'd be interested in seeing some. You can PM it to me if you don't want to post this publically.

Trust me there are plenty, PLENTY of people out there who deliberately behave in an unpleasant manner and when they get called out on it, blame their ‘disability’.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Indeed it is.

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Thank you. It's been a rather strange day, but I feel a bit better now that i've spoken to my specialist.

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Thank you. It's been a rather strange day, but I feel a bit better now that I've spoken to my specialist. I had to take something and have only just woken up!!! I'm still very groggy, tired and feeling like i'm here but not here if you know what I mean. He's given me a sleeping tablet to take, so it won't be long before I'm back in bed.

Do you upload your stings? I'd be interested in seeing some. You can PM it to me if you don't want to post this publically.

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This was my assessment of the situation. Because my brain injury affects my cognitive abilities and, as a result of this, I acknowledge that I can sometimes misinterpret things or express myself badly, I asked two people to independently assess the overall situation. One in an official capacity, my disability support worker and the other a friend who works for childline. Both agreed that it was trolling and one said that she thinks it's online bullying.

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I assume that people don't have a disability unless they choose to disclose this.

Please don't talk in riddles as it's difficult for me to understand and could be viewed as you trying to run rings around a severely disabled person.

If you are disabled, then you should know better. However, just because one person has a disability doesn't necessarily mean that they will understand and empathise with the disability of another. A wheelchair user, for example, won't automatically understand someone with mental incapacity issues, but they should at least try.

Also, being disabled oneself doesn't mean that you cannot be guilty of unlawfully discriminating against others on the grounds of disability. That would be like saying that a black man cannot be guilty of unlawful racism!

I remember when you first joined the forum and you weren't at all antagonistic or rude. I suspect that you've slipped into this as a form of defense because of the actions of the others that do this, it is easy to slip into without even realising it.

It's very odd how you can write articulately, but as soon as you don't like something being said to you you whip out the 'i have a disability' card. As if you didn't understand what i said.

Now, go and seek affirmation from your support worker, I'm sure they will tell you again, that you did, said absolutely nothing wrong & It's certainly everyone else's fault

I'm not going to waste any more of my time on a weapons grade helmet such as yourself.