Paris Terror Attack(s)

[Sirius]

As i pointed out in another post, ISIS are not stupid and will be using the movement of Migrants across Europe to allow their fighters to enter EU country's. They will be able to carry out these type of attacks in any major EU city's and holiday resorts and i feel this is but the start of them bringing there religious war to the European main land. I agree with Russ that this was planned to happen but the killing of Jihadi John just moved it forward.

Originally Posted by Russ

They were saying on Sky News just now that some are suggesting it was a revenge attack for the death of Jihadi John - 8 orchestrated attacks by at least 7 suicide bombers...that seems too organised for something that would have needed to be put together in less than 24 hours. Maybe it was planned to happen very soon but brought forward after JJ was killed? More likely that than a straightforward revenge attack.

Probably just planned for yesterday? It seems the football match formed part of it.

[TheDaddy]

Newt gingrich wades into the atrocity

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/11...paris-attacks/

Oxygen thief

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Originally Posted by Damien

Probably just planned for yesterday? It seems the football match formed part of it.

And the fact the president was going to be there, even though they knew they wouldn't get him getting as close as they did will cause a lot of headaches

[figgyburn]

This is never going to stop.Too many of these **** are already already bedded in all over europe especially with the weak west's "open doors"policy.See where being "better behaved than our enemies"has got us.No doubt all the usual"lessons learned etc"will come from european"leaders"(leading europe to hell more like).Time to nuke raqqa the isis stronghold in iraq instead of a few drone attacks.Eye for an eye.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Hugh

And how do we do that - shoot anyone who looks suspicious/different?

This is exactly the reaction these assholes are going for - creating an atmosphere of hate and distrust.

They know how to play us.
racism, offended, sympathy, stupidity, and all the rest to get what they want and where they want to be.

then bang!
they kill us because we're ever so nice.
nice is killing us. and nice will keep killing us.

open the door come on in and have a nice cup of tea. or kill us for being so stupidly nice.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Gary L

They know how to play us.
racism, offended, sympathy, stupidity, and all the rest to get what they want and where they want to be.

then bang!
they kill us because we're ever so nice.
nice is killing us. and nice will keep killing us.

open the door come on in and have a nice cup of tea. or kill us for being so stupidly nice.

If only 1% of those we have allowed to walk straight in to Europe are religious nutters who just want to kill us in the name of their god, then we need to be very very worried. What happened last night could happen in any EU country that has seen a mass influx of migrants. Anyone who thinks that ISIS has not used this migrant influx to move fighters into Europe needs to wake up and smell the coffee. One of the first rules of terrorism is to get your teams into the local of any target you intend to attack. This will certainly not be the last attack within the EU.

Now is the time we need to be Europeans ..and I don't mean a federated organisation before anyone starts shouting.Just to recognise that we have a lot in common that we need to defend and protect together.

[figgyburn]

Europe is at a turning point in it's history.How we deal with these problems will set a road of travel for centuries to come.

[Taf]

A couple of hours before this atrocity, there was a major report on French TV about the mass of arms, especially AK47's, that were flooding into the country from the Balkans.

An undercover reporter was offered a lorry load, plus ammunition, for immediate delivery anywhere in France. "The weapons are cached in several places around the country, loaded and ready to be used".

Explosives, detonators, heavy machine guns, rockets.... all available too.

[Ignitionnet]

There are those moments that stand out in history both on their own merits and as turning points in social or political attitudes. I suspect this was one.

Originally Posted by figgyburn

This is never going to stop.Too many of these **** are already already bedded in all over europe especially with the weak west's "open doors"policy.See where being "better behaved than our enemies"has got us.No doubt all the usual"lessons learned etc"will come from european"leaders"(leading europe to hell more like).Time to nuke raqqa the isis stronghold in iraq instead of a few drone attacks.Eye for an eye.

What about the quarter of a million innocent civilians who live in in Raqqa?

FYI, Raqqa has been hit by airstrikes from the Syrian, US, Russian, and Arab Nations Air Forces, not just 'a few drone attacks' - in fact, Jihadi John was killed by one of the Raqqa air strikes.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Hugh

And how do we do that - shoot anyone who looks suspicious/different?

This is exactly the reaction these assholes are going for - creating an atmosphere of hate and distrust.

No of course not that would be stupid clearly. What we have to do is take the fight to them. It's not going to be easy and there are going to be mistakes and innocent victims but that will happen whatever we do.

Overseas, like it or not, we're going to have to see boots on the ground and a concerted effort to wipe the **** out mostly according the usual rules of engagement and sometimes not as has always been the case in the heat of battle.

At home we need to expect that our lives and freedoms are going to be impinged upon in order to minimise the risks we face. It's been happening since the days of the IRA and it'll have to carry on to reflect the new reality that our enemies think nothing of suicide and aren't going to give us nice warnings. We need to be relentless in following up intelligence leads and provide the resources to make that happen whatever the cost. Sadly we're going to need to strengthen the powers the authorities have to monitor, intervene and detain suspects. This isn't going to be pleasant and there will be mistakes made but the alternative is worse IMHO.

No need for hate and no need for going around shooting anyone who looks different but, yes, there is going to be an increasing need to maintain a level of awareness and distrust but that doesn't have to be irrational. That's inevitable I'm afraid and waiting until we have Paris style attacks here before starting the process will only result in a more extreme reaction.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by figgyburn

Time to nuke raqqa the isis stronghold in iraq instead of a few drone attacks.

France have a submarine of SLBMs somewhere in the Atlantic; they have tested neutron bombs, they have air delivered nukes too.

Why stop at Raqqa?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4627862.stm

France 'would use nuclear arms'

French President Jacques Chirac has said France would be ready to use nuclear weapons against any state which launched a terrorist attack against it.
Speaking at a nuclear submarine base in north-western France, Mr Chirac said a French response "could be conventional. It could also be of another nature."

He said France's nuclear forces had been configured for such an event.

[nashville]

Really dreadful. I think it may have been planned to be later on and they brought it forward because of the death of Jihadi John, could not sleep for thinking of all these poor people killed and injured and their families,

[Russ]

ISIS claim it was part retaliation for the Mohammed cartoon insults. We must never back down and the attacks are totally unjustified but if you poke a cobra don't act surprised when it reacts.

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Reports are coming in of a French train catching fire, derailing and crashing in to a lake in Strasbourg - some are suggesting it's a test train so unlikely to be carrying passengers.