Should Ched Evans be allowed back into football

[Kursk]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Future behaviour is the test of sincerity. The onus is upon the individual, not society, to prove they are reformed by behaving like decent people do. They can remain closet perverts for as long as they like for all I care but if they exercise their predilection, they can expect an extended stay in the slammer. Rapists and other serious offenders, for example, are monitored for this very purpose.

All of that's fine but you stated in effect that people like this should only be allowed to move forward if they showed real remorse etc. Well how much remorse and for how long? Yes perverts' behaviour can be monitored but their thoughts can't be so at what point is someone like Evans going to be allowed to reintegrate himself and resume his career and who's going to determine that.

[Kursk]

I don't think there is a time scale for absolution although he seems to have forgiven himself quite promptly. I doubt his victim feels the same way. I'd be happy to give her the power over him that he exercised over her.

[Osem]

Well as far as I'm aware he still maintains he's innocent so that's not surprising is it. He's had a couple of years in jail to think about it all and has a criminal record which will endure.

I doubt she does either and that's the reason we don't give victims the power to determine punishments in this country.

[Kursk]

Seems his thinking in jail has led him to the conclusion that he's innocent; a view obviously disputed by his peers. It's unlikely therefore that his peers will view this as a sign of remorse.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Seems his thinking in jail has led him to the conclusion that he's innocent; a view obviously disputed by his peers. It's unlikely therefore that his peers will view this as a sign of remorse.

If the guy who had sex with her just before himself, was innocent, it is not unreasonable for him to think he is innocent.
How on earth did McDonald get away with at least being charged with being complicit in the crime.

Best ask the Jury - they decided this.

And the appeal Judges, who turned down his first appeal....

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Seems his thinking in jail has led him to the conclusion that he's innocent; a view obviously disputed by his peers. It's unlikely therefore that his peers will view this as a sign of remorse.

He was protesting his innocence before going to court and still is. That's why he asked to appeal as he is entitled to do. Judging the sincerity of someone's remorse is impossible. I dare say our jails are full of people who've committed serious crimes, apologised in court to get a lesser punishment and upon release carried on precisely where they left off. How would requiring Evans to apologise for what happened change anything? If he did so now I dare say many people would simply write it off as a cynical gesture intended to assuage public opinion.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by nomadking

If the guy who had sex with her just before himself, was innocent, it is not unreasonable for him to think he is innocent.
How on earth did McDonald get away with at least being charged with being complicit in the crime.

Originally Posted by Osem

He was protesting his innocence before going to court and still is. That's why he asked to appeal as he is entitled to do. Judging the sincerity of someone's remorse is impossible. I dare say our jails are full of people who've committed serious crimes, apologised in court to get a lesser punishment and upon release carried on precisely where they left off. How would requiring Evans to apologise for what happened change anything? If he did so now I dare say many people would simply write it off as a cynical gesture intended to assuage public opinion.

It's as Hugh says:

Originally Posted by Hugh

Best ask the Jury - they decided this.

And the appeal Judges, who turned down his first appeal....

To be honest anyway, I don't care whether criminals feel hard done by or whether their careers can be re-established. I care more about the victim. She can never 'get back' that which he took from her.

He did the crime (at least the Jury thought so) and now he's done the time.

He should be allowed to continue his career just like every other (ex) criminal. I find the fact he was forced out of training at Sheffield by what was basically mob rule and blackmail by other parties rather disturbing.

Btw, re the post above, what exactly has he "took from her" ?

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Paul M

He did the crime (at least the Jury thought so) and now he's done the time.

He should be allowed to continue his career just like every other (ex) criminal. I find the fact he was forced out of training at Sheffield by what was basically mob rule and blackmail by other parties rather disturbing.

Btw, re the post above, what exactly has he "took from her" ?

His incarceration is complete; his acceptance by his peers evidently is not.

He took her self respect. Would you feel so forgiving if he had physically violated you?

Originally Posted by Paul M

Btw, re the post above, what exactly has he "took from her" ?

An ability to trust other people, Being able to go out at night and not feel petrified, being able to have a normal relationship?

It's hard to know but the above are the some of the things other victims have said is an issue. It's not something you would be able to easily relate too or understand if you're not a victim I would imagine.

[nomadking]

Surely any loss of trust would be down to McDonald.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Surely any loss of trust would be down to McDonald.

And/or Evans, and their two mates who filmed it from outside the room window....

I think Damien meant her loss of trust in any man......

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Kursk

His incarceration is complete; his acceptance by his peers evidently is not.

He took her self respect. Would you feel so forgiving if he had physically violated you?

I'd feel a lot less forgiving if his victim had any recollection of him violating her