General : Another price rise for stand alone customers?

[NuttehButteh]

Originally Posted by General Maximus

that is so sweet. I wish I had the money for two openreach lines and two VM lines to come into the house. A 464/64 connection be amazing.

Agreed, VM won't do 2 lines I have asked.

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Originally Posted by Pauls9

I feel the need to remind people:
http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ95

As I feel the need to say what I have said for the past 10 years. Stuff Capita and their TV tax. I don't need it, don't pay it and never will.

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Well yeah, it'll cost a second line rental and broadband subscription.

My ISP doesn't even know I'm load balancing the lines, they have no way to.

Less of the 'S' please. Seems just last week you were on the Plusnet forum claiming to have Virgin Media load balanced with FTTC, and got all upset when it was suggested you were lying as you'd only posted about it on there, and were posting speed tests strangely similar to those that were shown up on here as being from someone else.

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You have made this up. Please kindly stop it. These posts go on Google and will misinform people casually searching.

A new tier will not come with no upload increase. The network upgrades required to increase upload speeds are in progress and there is an aim to beat BT in both directions.

Which sounds good to me

Thanks also for the load balancer link. I have search these forums and seen the software that some use but it's obviously not as good as the hardware. As you said I could achieve 200mbps + but for what? I stream more than I download. My FTTC line is a business line but I guess I should wait until I am not using a residential cable service also - as I think kabaal? said it would be of no benefit to me.

What do you think please?

Edit::

That's the first time I have ever seen something on PC world's business website which is cheaper even with the VAT than the cheapest UK seller on Ebay. very impressed!

So if I did get one I'd just call my business manager. Easy peasy!

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Originally Posted by Synthetic

When I said paying for a second line I did mean 2x line rental + broadband costs which I worked out would cost me around £70/m for "up to" 80/10. Then there's the cost of the load balancing router as software balancing is no use to me I need the whole network to use it.

Alternatively Openreach could make sure their engineers can be bothered to do the job they were sent to do, to actually fix my line (whole other story)

I just wanted to reply to this. For me I pay £39 for virgin and £35 for my FTTC and line rental so £74 - it seems for that I "can" geet roughly 212 down and 26 up when I did try it.

The software I tried (called connectify) seemed okay but also seemed to drop a lot. I am not sure if this load balancer that Ignitionnet has will do it all the time - only he can tell us that.

Also with the software it means I have to have 2 Ethernet cables running into my PC and both enabled for it to work. Which is great but I am about to unbox a new Imac and that only has 1. So this is again where the software fails. It shows whichever IP address you have enabled first it seems.

But the one he has I have found for £134. He again may be kind enough to say if that is expensive or good value for such a unit.

[Synthetic]

Yeah I've used connectify to "bond" my VM and tether my phone over EE 4G and I hit about 198Mbps but it was very flaky, some of the time it would just use the 4G connection and not my VM one at all, and yes I had it set up to give each connection equal bandwidth which I know works as it did for a few of the speedtests I did.

Also I'm confident that tp-link will do a much better job, going from the reviews on amazon anyway

[NuttehButteh]

This bit from the first review worries me

It's also frustrating that each WAN connection is limited to 100Mb, so if you have Virgin's top of the line connection then it will be limited by this device.

So sounds like it won't take 152 (which is really about 161) and FTTC unless you dropped down to 100mbps?

[Synthetic]

I read 100Mbps somewhere but I can't find it again, however the spec on the TP-Link site states Gig ports and NAT throughput of 350Mbps but I can't see the 100Mbps, maybe that reviewer is getting confused or something else is limiting it.

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by Synthetic

I guess you could get as many FTTC lines as you wanted (until you ran out of spare pairs) or do Openreach have a limit per property?

Still, 1x VM at 160/12 and 2x 80/20 FTTC lines would be nice (if you had the money)

At some point,you'll reach a point where it'd be better off to just get a leased line in. Not sure what a gigabit line goes for these days.

[NuttehButteh]

If it's on VM it's £12,000-£16,000 PA. I did ask them once upon a time so might have changed

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Originally Posted by Synthetic

I read 100Mbps somewhere but I can't find it again, however the spec on the TP-Link site states Gig ports and NAT throughput of 350Mbps but I can't see the 100Mbps, maybe that reviewer is getting confused or something else is limiting it.

My hope is that Ignitionnet will be so kind as to come and tell us for sure.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by NuttehButteh

This bit from the first review worries me

It's also frustrating that each WAN connection is limited to 100Mb, so if you have Virgin's top of the line connection then it will be limited by this device.

So sounds like it won't take 152 (which is really about 161) and FTTC unless you dropped down to 100mbps?

All the ports are GigE on the TL-ER5120. They even have amber lights on the one I have here right now complaining about the 100Mb links from the Openreach modems.

The NAT throughput is allegedly 350Mb/s however I reckon in real life it runs slower, and remember that Openreach VDSL uses PPPoE.

See the attachments, should put your mind at ease. Ports 1-4 can be WAN ports, 2-5 LAN, 5 is DMZ if so configured.

[Synthetic]

Thanks for the explanation Igni, hey look you can get another 2 lines and balance all 4

That's probably when you'd start hitting the throughput limit i'd imagine

[NuttehButteh]

Yes thank you.

I did notice the orange and green lights on the back and also that one said 100 and one said 1000.

Well I will try for 212 but I will also just downgrade to it's max if it can't take that.

It will be nice to know I have constant upstream something this software cannot do

I don't suppose there is a cherry on the top in being able to run vpn configs through it?

Also my VM is obviously dynamic but my business line is static - will this be a problem? I can make it un static if it needs it

In any case at £115,99 I've ordered one to be delivered on Tuesday.

Cheers

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Also, and this will sound trivial

Do I have to have another unit running? So OR modem and ISP router and then VM SH2 aswell? At the moment it's chewing through my power for some reason so another unit as well might not help

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Originally Posted by Synthetic

Thanks for the explanation Igni, hey look you can get another 2 lines and balance all 4

That's probably when you'd start hitting the throughput limit i'd imagine

Got to be better than this pants software - when it's using VM as the main IP it only uses 1 channel for upstream. Will be nice to have proper balancing (and I have it set to round robin also)

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by NuttehButteh

I don't suppose there is a cherry on the top in being able to run vpn configs through it?

No, you'd need the TL-ER6120 for that.

Originally Posted by NuttehButteh

Also my VM is obviously dynamic but my business line is static - will this be a problem? I can make it un static if it needs it

Not an issue at all.

Originally Posted by NuttehButteh

Also, and this will sound trivial

Do I have to have another unit running? So OR modem and ISP router and then VM SH2 aswell? At the moment it's chewing through my power for some reason so another unit as well might not help

Depends how you have things set up. I have the 2 Openreach modems going into the 5120 and it feeding an access point. The 5120 can talk PPPoE so can replace the ISP modem, apart from the lack of WiFi.

Originally Posted by NuttehButteh

Got to be better than this pants software - when it's using VM as the main IP it only uses 1 channel for upstream. Will be nice to have proper balancing (and I have it set to round robin also)

Do remember that you need to have more than one TCP connection running to be able to load balance. On single stream transfers I get single line speeds.

[NuttehButteh]

Thanks for the reply

This is the review I based my purchase on as well as your excellent advice

http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/prod...views/#content Just had a text saying it's coming Monday now

I have BTO modem _ ISP router and also VM sh2.

So I assume based on the split screen you added for each connection I can just plug in the BTO modem and the SH and therefore input my ISP details into it?

Would having FTTC and VM give me what I need in regards to this TCP? Sorry I have no knowledge beyond entering usernames and password into the ISP router.

Thanks

[Synthetic]

You'd need to put the superhub in the Modem mode and connect that and the OR modem to the tp-link, then your router to a LAN port on the tp-link.

By that Igni just means you'll only see a benefit on multi threaded downloads / uploads as balancing spreads the load rather than bonds it to give you all at once, if that makes sense?

IE speedtests with only 1 http connection will only show the speed of one line, but for say torrenting, usenet etc that use a lot of connections you'll see the full speed of both lines.

[NuttehButteh]

Will it do the same job as this software does? Give me 212/25 all the time -that's the main thing

I do usenet and P2P and also I use a download manager all the time.

SO what you are saying is I won't have any wireless at all? Unless I use the lan port router?

:?

Also will it bond my upload? that's more important to me as I upload a lot of shows to the station from home where they are recorded in case I can't make it in.

[pip08456]

You've answered your own question.

[NuttehButteh]

I have?

So it's a yes?

And I still use the ISP's router? Sorry for the confusion Pip but Ignition sort of implied I don't need to use that as the Load balancer can take the ISP's details.

And I thought it went like this?

SH2 in MM into TP-LINK. BTOR HG612 into TP-LINK - TP-LINK talks to my FTTC ISP via it's internals - computer plugs into TP-LINK?