Anjem Choudary and his fellow protestors fight other Muslim groups

[thenry]

Originally Posted by Gary L

No, I meant amongst themselves.

belief differences within Islam?

Originally Posted by Russ

No, there isn't. I've asked you to show me where it states that in the Koran and you've not been able to. I suggest this is because it doesn't actually say that but if you think otherwise then I'd be interested to what you can show me.

ok we obviously don't agree.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by thenry

belief differences within Islam?

As always.
same with the bible.

Originally Posted by thenry

No youre putting words in my mouth. A Muslim is required to fight for his/her beliefs.

Theres 100s of pages Russ. I'm not going to go through it all again. It will take me days, weeks to get through it all again. I cannot remember word for word. I just remember parts where it states what I've said already.

with all of this reading you have done on Islam you will no doubt have read all the other interpretations as well ,for every scholar that thinks the koran tells muslims to fight there is an equal amount of scholars that say it does not

[thenry]

Absolutely, theres a fair few that try their best to keep the peace. Look I'm not in any way stating I'm a pro in Islamic affairs, I'm not. I am though saying that the Quran does state a lot about fighting the 'non-believer'. Its talks of hypocrites, ones that call themselves Muslims but back out when fighting etc. those whether they be Muslim or not are marked down as the 'non-believer' and what do these nutcase crackheads do? harm us of course.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by thenry

I am though saying that the Quran does state a lot about fighting the 'non-believer'.

Can you give any examples of that?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

Can you give any examples of that?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/qu...3-violence.htm

[thenry]

Just a heads up. As stated by martyh different people say different things so just be cautious when trying to find the real translation. I got the Quran I own while I was out in Saudi Arabia, obviously you wont travel just for a Quran so if you truly are interested in a copy be sure its stamped by Saudi Arabia. Also costs are only for the book itself and delivery, some only delivery. Its against Islam for someone to make any kind of profit distributing the book.

Originally Posted by thenry

Just a heads up. As stated by martyh different people say different things so just be cautious when trying to find the real translation. I got the Quran I own while I was out in Saudi Arabia, obviously you wont travel just for a Quran so if you truly are interested in a copy be sure its stamped by Saudi Arabia. Also costs are only for the book itself and delivery, some only delivery. Its against Islam for someone to make any kind of profit distributing the book.

That's correct ,one also has to be careful when reading meaning into various pieces of text ,when a text says "fight the non believers" what does it mean ? does it mean fight in a violent way (shoot/kill/maim) or does it mean fight in a passive way ,according to texts in the Quran a Muslim can only be aggressive in self defence .As in all religious texts the meaning is read in a different way by different people who want it to say a certain thing to suit their own personal needs hence we end up with different factions of the same religion

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

That's correct ,one also has to be careful when reading meaning into various pieces of text ,when a text says "fight the non believers" what does it mean ? does it mean fight in a violent way (shoot/kill/maim) or does it mean fight in a passive way ,according to texts in the Quran a Muslim can only be aggressive in self defence .As in all religious texts the meaning is read in a different way by different people who want it to say a certain thing to suit their own personal needs hence we end up with different factions of the same religion

Well I suppose if you read what the 'leaders' interpretation of the word fight by his actions in the book. then you can assume what he and they mean by fight.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Gary L

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/qu...3-violence.htm

It may have been a quick google search but congratulations on your first bit of 'research' in to a religion.

Anyway, nothing so far about in-fighting for other Muslims they disagree with then.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

It may have been a quick google search but congratulations on your first bit of 'research' in to a religion.

It's not my first. but it's not important.

Anyway, nothing so far about in-fighting for other Muslims they disagree with then.

Your go now, then.
try Yahoo or something.

[soicky]

Anjem and co go on edgware road, many shia shops on this road, and protest against assad, hezbollah and the Iranian regime, some shias aren't happy and a scuffle occurs. That pretty much sums it up.

Originally Posted by soicky

Anjem and co go on edgware road, many shia shops on this road, and protest against assad, hezbollah and the Iranian regime, some shias aren't happy and a scuffle occurs. That pretty much sums it up.

good god man how on earth do you expect to get a decent headline out of that

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by martyh

with all of this reading you have done on Islam you will no doubt have read all the other interpretations as well ,for every scholar that thinks the koran tells muslims to fight there is an equal amount of scholars that say it does not

Unfortunately, the type of muslim that is prone to going boom only tends to read the former. Thems the ones we have to worry about. The peaceful ones are irrelevant.

Only a two year thread resurrected..You lot must be getting bored..