Unpaid workschemes are illegal - Page 4

**Maggy** · 12-02-2013, 13:58

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

They do infact do that, various schemes in the North East offer placements to unemployed people, offered meaning you are not forced onto it and your benefits will be fine if you said no. The placements I know about are:

NHS Admin. (Offers jobs at the end of placement if performance is good)
Libraries.
British Heart Foundation.
Care homes etc.

So why are they using companies like Poundland instead?

danielf · 12-02-2013, 13:58

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Cait Reilly's problem is that if they had offered her a 'paid for' job, she probably would have turned them down.

Oh.

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"I don't think I am above working in shops like Poundland. I now work part-time in a supermarket. It is just that I expect to get paid for working."

Cait Reilly, talking to the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21426928

**Damien** · 12-02-2013, 14:00

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Originally Posted by danielf

Oh.

Cait Reilly, talking to the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21426928

No it's still the problem that this hypothetical scenario that didn't happen could have happened!!! What if someone on one of these work placements was otherwise going to go on a murderous rampage? Do you support murderous rampages Daniel? Is that what you want!?

danielf · 12-02-2013, 14:00

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Originally Posted by martyh

because tax avoidance is a much more complex issue

It looks more like they can't be arsed, and are going for the easy targets instead. Either way, it's not doing much for the coalition's credibility.

12-02-2013, 14:06

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Originally Posted by danielf

Oh.

Cait Reilly, talking to the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21426928

So why didn't she take a retail job ,a job in which she admits she had experience, during the 18months she claimed dole and volunteered at a museum .Even a part time job in retail would allow her to do volunteer work at the museum

**Damien** · 12-02-2013, 14:10

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Originally Posted by martyh

So why didn't she take a retail job ,a job in which she admits she had experience, during the 18months she claimed dole and volunteered at a museum .Even a part time job in retail would allow her to do volunteer work at the museum

Maybe she couldn't find such a job or maybe she waited a bit too long. It happens. When I finished my degree there is the pressure to get any job you can right away or spend time chasing the relevant jobs. Thankfully it was only about 2 months but the pressure is there right away.

adzii_nufc · 12-02-2013, 14:18

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

So why are they using companies like Poundland instead?

Various Schemes do different things as I mentioned in my other post, BTCV being the notable standout up here for sending people off to unpaid crap.

12-02-2013, 14:29

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Originally Posted by Damien

Maybe she couldn't find such a job or maybe she waited a bit too long. It happens. When I finished my degree there is the pressure to get any job you can right away or spend time chasing the relevant jobs. Thankfully it was only about 2 months but the pressure is there right away.

Indeed it is ,and for many it is a short sharp shock bringing them into the real grown up world where they have responsibilities and an obligation to society to not be a burden ,especially since society has furnished her with degrees in lew of work .

It also says a lot about her that she is prepared to do unpaid work when it suits her i.e the museum but not when society demands it in return for supporting her

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

So why are they using companies like Poundland instead?

Not so much instead of more 'as well as' ,using a wider variety of companies gives more people more experience in a wider variety of job

**Hugh** · 12-02-2013, 14:41

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

Having a society where there are 2.5 million unemployed and only 500000 jobs to go round means no matter what your ethic is your in trouble

You appear to be confusing 'number of jobs advertised in Job Centres' with 'total number of vacancies in the UK'.

As has been posted before, the Small Business organisations estimate nearly 60% of their vacancies are not advertised in the JCs, and my previous employer (which had 3000 employees) very rarely placed more than 20% of it's vacancies there.

12-02-2013, 14:44

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Originally Posted by Hugh

You appear to be confusing 'number of jobs advertised in Job Centres' with 'total number of vacancies in the UK'.

As has been posted before, the Small Business organisations estimate nearly 60% of their vacancies are not advertised in the JCs, and my previous employer (which had 3000 employees) very rarely placed more than 20% of it's vacancies there.

I am not confusing anything the figures were collated and used as government figures no mention anywhere that they are only job centre figures

Gary L · 12-02-2013, 14:47

Just been to Tescos. it was chaos. there were hardly any staff there. the woman said they all walked out when they heard the news. now they've got to employ and pay a wage to get proper staff in

nomadking · 12-02-2013, 14:47

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Originally Posted by danielf

Oh.

Cait Reilly, talking to the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21426928

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Miss Reilly said she was delighted with the ruling, claiming that making her give up her voluntary work and sending her to Poundland was wrong.
"Those two weeks were a complete waste of my time, as the experience did not help me get a job," she said.
"I was not given any training and I was left with no time to do my voluntary work or search for other jobs.

Was it the removal of benefits that forced her to actually take a part-time job in a supermarket?

The ruling wasn't about whether the Government could do it all, just how it was introduced. The end result will be that the scheme will still exist. They didn't 'win' the case on the basis they they tried to win it, ie 'forced labour'.

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The government also pointed out that the Appeal Court judges backed the High Court's view that requiring jobseekers to participate in the scheme did not breach their human rights.
It said that it would bring new regulations forward straight away, allowing these schemes to continue.
"The court has backed our right to require people to take part in programmes which will help get them into work. It is ridiculous to say this is forced labour. This ruling ensures we can continue with these important schemes," said Employment Minister Mark Hoban.

MalteseFalcon · 12-02-2013, 14:49

I would have been prepared to do this, but it looks like it will be scrapped now. Wonder if this will cover me in dumping Ingeus? Waste of my time and money sitting in a room for hours every day doing the exact same thing I do at home.

**Damien** · 12-02-2013, 15:03

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Originally Posted by martyh

It also says a lot about her that she is prepared to do unpaid work when it suits her i.e the museum but not when society demands it in return for supporting her[

I think it was the fact she was being made to do it for a private company or risk the benefits being withdrawn. Massive difference between doing work for a museum whilst receiving benefits and being forced to work for a for-profit company or have the benefits removed.

12-02-2013, 15:15

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Originally Posted by Damien

I think it was the fact she was being made to do it for a private company or risk the benefits being withdrawn. Massive difference between doing work for a museum whilst receiving benefits and being forced to work for a for-profit company or have the benefits removed.

OH i see ,stoodent ethics trumps obligations to society .