Tories again hitting the poor

[Arthurgray50@blu]

This 'millionaire' life style by some people living on benefit, as it was stated in the newspapers some families are on £30.000 per year from benefit.

As soon as people come from abroad, they are placed on benefit, go straight to the council list and we end up paying it.

When l was unemployed l was on benefit of £75.00 per week and l had a wife and two children. Now l have a job, since 2009 my wages have not risen and told recently that l will not get a pay rise until 2015 due to financial pressure on the employer.

BUT bills have gone up and so l think it would be better off on benefit. NO rent to pay, NO council tax to pay - would l go on benefit, no l would not.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

This 'millionaire' life style by some people living on benefit, as it was stated in the newspapers some families are on £30.000 per year from benefit.

As soon as people come from abroad, they are placed on benefit, go straight to the council list and we end up paying it.

When l was unemployed l was on benefit of £75.00 per week and l had a wife and two children. Now l have a job, since 2009 my wages have not risen and told recently that l will not get a pay rise until 2015 due to financial pressure on the employer.

BUT bills have gone up and so l think it would be better off on benefit. NO rent to pay, NO council tax to pay - would l go on benefit, no l would not.

I should probably point out Arthur that the changes to the benefit system that are coming in i.e rent capping that you where so vocal AGAINST a few months ago are designed to stop people being better off on the dole

[Arthurgray50@blu]

There are several points l might add to your comment martyh, people are NOT better off on the dole.

Only a few people are better off and that is down to the system, its no one fault that they are out of work, and have been for several years. The benefit system should be given to those people that are genuinely out of work. It should NOT be there for those people that have just come into this country.

To me the government should state that you can only claim benefit IF you have been in this country for longer than 12 months or IF you can prove that you are actively looking for work.

When l was out of work l HAD to PROVE l was looking for work, and l did, BUT they still insisted l wasn't trying hard enough.

What the Tories are simply doing is hitting the poor and NOT hitting the people they should be hitting. I hated being out of work, The government are not doing enough to bring industry back to the UK.

A very good friend of mine has been looking for work in Margate, and he tells me the place is totally dead, and is only busy during the tourist season, shops are shut and he tried several jobs in Kent, and he did not get any replies - i was getting reference letters about him, but he still didn't get work.

The poor always get hit, and they cannot use there voice until election days. i am NOT A LABOUR voter. As they badly let the country down, but what the Tories are doing at the moment is always thinking of who to hit next - instead of thinking about increasing there wages and expenses account.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

There are several points l might add to your comment martyh, people are NOT better off on the dole.
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Benefits aren't just for people out of work Arthur .At my wifes work there are about 16 people most of who are on 16-25 hrs a week and they get benefits to top up their wages such as tax credits and housing benefits .Some have been offered more hours upto 38hr a week but they refused them because they would lose the benefits and be worse off

[Taf]

The recent rule change from 16 hours' work to get many of the benefits, to 24 hours' work to get many of the benefits has financially hammered several of my friends who cannot get 24 hours work a week, let alone a full 40.

Two other mates, close to pension age, were told that they could either drop from 40 hours to 22 hours per week (and no overtime) or be made redundant. Their employers are desperate to stay in business, but the banks won't help with their cashflows.

Originally Posted by Taf

The recent rule change from 16 hours' work to get many of the benefits, to 24 hours' work to get many of the benefits has financially hammered several of my friends who cannot get 24 hours work a week, let alone a full 40.

Two other mates, close to pension age, were told that they could either drop from 40 hours to 22 hours per week (and no overtime) or be made redundant. Their employers are desperate to stay in business, but the banks won't help with their cashflows.

That's right ,it's all a bit of a mess .A lot of employees don't bother offering 40 hrs a week because they know it will be refused because the benefits are worth more or the employer knows he van get away with paying minimum wage because he knows the state will pick up the slack

[nashville]

I know it is hard for some people to get jobs. But there are people who don,t want to work at all. The just take all they can get from the system.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by nashville

I know it is hard for some people to get jobs. But there are people who don,t want to work at all. The just take all they can get from the system.

you've met my next-door neighbour then

[nashville]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

you've met my next-door neighbour then

WE have all got them

[Arthurgray50@blu]

There are several pointers to make and many people have made several good points.

1) if you are working and want to claim benefit to increase the low wage, you have to work six weeks to claim this benefit.

2) If you are working and get offered an increase, you will lose that benefit that you are allowed and also if you claim benefit, you will lose other benefits.

3) What the government have to do and many people have not spotted this one, immigrants are allowed to claim benefit and are legally allowed to send benefits overseas to there loved ones.

4) This government disgracefully admit they give billions in aid to overseas countries which DON'T NEED it, it was stated in The Sun, which l placed in this forum.

5) The government then proceed to discuss giving extra payments to ministers in thousands of pounds as they 'deserve it'

6) We see quite openly in the media where minsters rent out there own flats to fellow minsters and then claim expenses, and nothing is done.

In an area where l work, l see things that make my blood boil where shopkeepers quite openly pay foreign workers in cash to work, when they cannot find anyone to do the job and quite often this is a can of beer of money to but this.

Yet this government still find ways of hammering the poor, its about time that the government started from the top and cut out all the waste of money.

I worked at the House of Commons many years ago and the amount of food waste they and the expensive taste they have is a dsigrace.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I worked at the House of Commons many years ago and the amount of food waste they and the expensive taste they have is a dsigrace.

You have had a hell of a lot of jobs and have worked at a hell of a lot of places Arthur

I take it that it was tripe and chips for labour and caviar for the conservatives


Arthur

What do you think of this then.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...nging-dad.html

[dilli-theclaw]

what grates my carrot is i get lumped in with people like that as i get benefits

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

what grates my carrot is i get lumped in with people like that as i get benefits

Not by me you dont

Originally Posted by Sirius

Arthur

What do you think of this then.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...nging-dad.html

He says it's wrong ,but when the government try to fix it he starts a thread attacking them for fixing it ...my head hurts

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by martyh

He says it's wrong ,but when the government try to fix it he starts a thread attacking them for fixing it ...my head hurts

Glad i was not the only one who noticed that