Websites to be forced to identify trolls

[AdamD]

Originally Posted by Damien

Good. The level of vitriol and abuse on the Internet is reaching absurd levels. Twitter has become a cesspool of humanity where the thickest, nastiest, xenophobic little racists lurk. It's time for the anonymous trolls to face the consequences of their actions.

Not to mention youtube, holy heck there's a lot of **** on that site.

[rogerdraig]

it may stop 95 % to start with but they will soon learn ( takes a few seconds to search the info ) how to avoid it so it may cause a lull and catch a few but long term its worthless much like blocking pirate bay

Originally Posted by rogerdraig

it may stop 95 % to start with but they will soon learn ( takes a few seconds to search the info ) how to avoid it so it may cause a lull and catch a few but long term its worthless much like blocking pirate bay

So because something is difficult and insurmountable we might as well not bother?
And yet everyone still wants the war on drugs to continue even though it's a war we can't win.
Personally I want the stalkers and bullies dealt with whatever the problem and however hard they make it to find them.

[rogerdraig]

no but doing something thats a waste of time is pointless and will just leave those thinking that this will help frustrated

as imo the main thing this is aimed at is those who like attacking tribute sites then education and moderation of posts is more likely to reduce any harm

and where it is forums like this and where they dont hold up to the high standards of the posters here then some form of reputation given and taken can if applied accross a site limit any one individual from continually posting ( by hidding or just stopping them post ) work too.

when it comes to stalkers of an individual then i think the police should take a more active roll and apply what ever ways they may have already of tracking down the person

i fear though this will just lead to those adding yet another layer to their defense making that harder



as to war on drugs most I know say legalise the lot and tax it ( whole other thread )

[Julian]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Trying to catch trolls by the law will be like herding cats.

The best and most effective way IMO is for the site owners/moderators to be vigilant, as most are, and also to respond to members complaints promptly. A ban on a troll is far faster and effective than trying to identify and then drag a troll to a court of law anyday.

The problem is that the sites that cause the most trouble - Facebook, Twitter etc. are repeatedly failing.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

The best and most effective way IMO is for the site owners/moderators to be vigilant, as most are, and also to respond to members complaints promptly. A ban on a troll is far faster and effective than trying to identify and then drag a troll to a court of law anyday.

But that's been the status quo for years and it's obviously not working effectively as these proposed measures suggest.

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Trying to catch trolls by the law will be like herding cats.

The best and most effective way IMO is for the site owners/moderators to be vigilant, as most are, and also to respond to members complaints promptly. A ban on a troll is far faster and effective than trying to identify and then drag a troll to a court of law anyday.

Might be faster but the damage might be already done..

The facebook case recently the trolls made her out to be a paedophile and banning after that didn't cure the issue in fact they just came back stronger than ever..

Yes banning will cure 99% of them but something like this is needed for the truly malicious ones

[Dude111]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Websites will soon be forced to identify people who post defamatory messages online.

Yup another VBB site i am on the admin said he is gonna start reporting everyone from the UK who posts bad stuff on his site....

I reckon this might be hard for him to do,i recommended simply ONLY IF CONTACTED BY UK AUTHORIES ABOUT A POST THEN TELL THEM WHO IT IS... (Would make it easier on him)

Wouldnt that be enough?? (I think it would be)

Abuse on the internet is a growing problem and one that site admins\mods are struggling with so anything that might help is most welcome. I am an admin on a few forums and the time i now spend dealing with the idiot brigade is taking up most of my time on those forums and being honest after a while it wears you down and you start to lose interest because the interest that drew you to a particular forum is lost when your time is spent mostly dealing with idiots and your no longer able to participate as an ordinary member.

Will this solve the problem of course it won't and in the longterm i am not sure it will be remotely effective against the majority. My biggest concern to this though is if the worst offenders take measures to avoid this those measures will get passed down to lower and lower levels of offenders and we might actually have an increase in worse content as those posting it feel more secure. What can we do i am not sure anything can be done to combat this effectively online because by that time the attitude and behaviour tend to be set our best chance is to get the individuals at an early age and instill in them correct values of decency and ethics not something that websites can really do.

Best case there is a drop for a few months people can recharge their batterys so to speak and maybe come up with some more new ideas. Worst case we see the hardcore quickly take measures against this and then pass that knowledge onto all and sundry leading to increased and more vicious content being dealt with by admins\mods.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Abuse on the internet is a growing problem and one that site admins\mods are struggling with so anything that might help is most welcome. I am an admin on a few forums and the time i now spend dealing with the idiot brigade is taking up most of my time on those forums and being honest after a while it wears you down and you start to lose interest because the interest that drew you to a particular forum is lost when your time is spent mostly dealing with idiots and your no longer able to participate as an ordinary member.

Will this solve the problem of course it won't and in the longterm i am not sure it will be remotely effective against the majority.

Depends how determined the majority are, and why they are doing it. A large part of my job is maintaining discipline amongst students. What I have found over the years is that even in the most unruly group, if you can find the ring leaders and remove them from the situation, the group often quietens down. This is what happened in the riots last year. The authorities found the ring leaders, hit them hard, and the rest soon fell into line.

It works even if there aren't really "groups" as such. As long as people can see other people being punished, and punished hard, for doing something, a lot will lose interest in doing that something.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Stuart

This is what happened in the riots last year. The authorities found the ring leaders, hit them hard, and the rest soon fell into line.

As I recall it, the riots stopped when it started to rain.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Stuart

This is what happened in the riots last year. The authorities found the ring leaders, hit them hard, and the rest soon fell into line.

How soon was they caught, arrested, charged and sentenced then?
it must have been within hours or a day.

1100 were arrested on the first few nights....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...cat-birmingham

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by danielf

As I recall it, the riots stopped when it started to rain.

I think the change in tactics from the Police helped. However, my experience is that if you can identify a ring leader in any group that is doing bad things, and you remove that ring leader, the group will start to behave.