BNP Accuses Royal Mail Of Dumping Leaflets

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

No.

Why?

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Tuftus

Why?

Well, because time has (mercilessly) marched on since you and I were paperboys and you can't just, at a whim, go around dropping anything through peoples letterboxes with no thought or consideration for what they may or may not wish to receive / read - especially if it isn't addressed correctly to the intended receipient.

That's why Royal Mail have junk mail measures in place and why theres also a mailing preference service where people can opt not to receive unwanted or unsolicited mail.

Bills (at least those which are legitimate) are a different matter because the receipient will have entered into a contract with the service provider and part of that contract is that they provide the customer with bills. That said, ever more service and utility peoviders are switching to / advocating paperless billing.

Dominos pizzas are different again in that it's bad enough that their pizzas are rubbish without them foisting more junk on us.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Well, because time has (mercilessly) marched on since you and I were paperboys and you can't just, at a whim, go around dropping anything through peoples letterboxes with no thought or consideration for what they may or may not wish to receive / read - especially if it isn't addressed correctly to the intended receipient.

That's why Royal Mail have junk mail measures in place and why theres also a mailing preference service where people can opt not to receive unwanted or unsolicited mail.

Bills (at least those which are legitimate) are a different matter because the receipient will have entered into a contract with the service provider and part of that contract is that they provide the customer with bills. That said, ever more service and utility peoviders are switching to / advocating paperless billing.

Dominos pizzas are different again in that it's bad enough that their pizzas are rubbish without them foisting more junk on us.

Thanks Mr A, i appreciate your point of view and taking the time to explain it.

However, regarding the MPS etc, I have registered for that and still get loads of junk mail along with, unfortunately, Dominos menus

[devilincarnate]

Originally Posted by Tuftus

Thanks Mr A, i appreciate your point of view and taking the time to explain it.

However, regarding the MPS etc, I have registered for that and still get loads of junk mail along with, unfortunately, Dominos menus

Is it just the leaflets that you still get as the MPS do not stop these. They only seem to stop the Mailsort letters the ones with the M on the front).

Originally Posted by devilincarnate

Is it just the leaflets that you still get as the MPS do not stop these. They only seem to stop the Mailsort letters the ones with the M on the front).

Still get all junk mail to be honest...

[ZrByte]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Likewise, I registered with MPS and though the volume of stuff has diminished it still comes.

If the postie took the leaflets away from the sorting office without registering an objection to them being from the BMP then, as I see it, he/she should then deliver them. I object to Lib Dem stuff coming through the door as they are completely barking but if I were a postie I'd guess I'd deliver the rubbish.

There is a big difference between thinking they are mad and finding them completely objectionable and abhorrent.
I also think that just leaving the delivery office shouldn't be enough to force the postie to deliver them as its very easy to miss the content of these things in the office but I think dumping them is completely unacceptable and the items in question should be returned by the next working shift at the latest. They should then be declared to the manager and payment removed from the colleague in questions pay for the coming week.

MPS only deals with the stuff RM process so only M class mail and some 1st and 2nd stuff. Though if the first and second class mail is not openly declared as junk then we cant stop it and there's no legal obligation by any company to declare it. Everything else will have different sorting codes on them, have a look at the top right corner of your mail and see just how many are sorted by RM, I think most people will be surprised. Any of these others are not covered by the MPS and RM could get into trouble if they tried to enforce it on them. Interestingly none of the other companies offer an equivalent to MPS that I know of.

[QUOTE=ZrByte;35225026]There is a big difference between thinking they are mad and finding them completely objectionable and abhorrent.
I also think that just leaving the delivery office shouldn't be enough to force the postie to deliver them as its very easy to miss the content of these things in the office but I think dumping them is completely unacceptable and the items in question should be returned by the next working shift at the latest. They should then be declared to the manager and payment removed from the colleague in questions pay for the coming week.

QUOTE]

Totally agree ,invoking the offensive materials clause by dumping them does not wash with me ,that is a protest as far as i am concerend and possibly fraud if the postie or posties involved were paid for delivering them

[Jimmy-J]

It shouldn't be left to the Postman to decide what should and shouldn't be posted to my address?

In other words, just do your job, and let me decide whether it's offensive or not.

[ZrByte]

Originally Posted by Product 13

It shouldn't be left to the Postman to decide what should and shouldn't be posted to my address?

In other words, just do your job, and let me decide whether it's offensive or not.

We aren't. The items will still be delivered its just the postman who delivers them that changes. And as said above this does not apply to addressed mail. Though addressed mail can be refused based on the customer at the delivery address rather than the nature of the mail being delivered if the customer is threatening or abusive directly to the postman or indirectly. Though even in those cases you would still receive your mail both addressed and unaddressed its just that you would likely have to collect it yourself from the delivery office unless an agreement could be made to get a different postie to deliver the items and this can only be done in certain situations.

Originally Posted by ZrByte

We aren't. The items will still be delivered its just the postman who delivers them that changes. And as said above this does not apply to addressed mail. Though addressed mail can be refused based on the customer at the delivery address rather than the nature of the mail being delivered if the customer is threatening or abusive directly to the postman or indirectly. Though even in those cases you would still receive your mail both addressed and unaddressed its just that you would likely have to collect it yourself from the delivery office unless an agreement could be made to get a different postie to deliver the items and this can only be done in certain situations.

I think i am right to say that the RM is obliged by law to deliver these leaflets as they are election material ,which reinforces my opinion that it is an attempt to prevent the material from ever being delivered by dumping it or losing it

[ZrByte]

Originally Posted by martyh

I think i am right to say that the RM is obliged by law to deliver these leaflets as they are election material ,which reinforces my opinion that it is an attempt to prevent the material from ever being delivered by dumping it or losing it

With normal households they can refuse but you are right that election material has to be delivered fairly, All of none. And its far too lucrative to refuse all of them.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by martyh

I think i am right to say that the RM is obliged by law to deliver these leaflets as they are election material ,which reinforces my opinion that it is an attempt to prevent the material from ever being delivered by dumping it or losing it

If "dumping it" at a BNP candidates home address did actually happen then it is hardly a good way to maliciously prevent it being delivered - were that the intent.

Additionally the Royal Mail loses many, many thousands of addressed postal items a day.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

If "dumping it" at a BNP candidates home address did actually happen then it is hardly a good way to maliciously prevent it being delivered - were that the intent.

Additionally the Royal Mail loses many, many thousands of addressed postal items a day.

actually upon reflection that is true ,if the bag was found by the candidate then they should have organised the local support (if any) to deliver them ,instead they have started a fund raising drive to replace the leaflets a cynicle attempt to use it as a excuse to raise more money if you ask me

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by martyh

actually upon reflection that is true ,if the bag was found by the candidate then they should have organised the local support (if any) to deliver them ,instead they have started a fund raising drive to replace the leaflets a cynicle attempt to use it as a excuse to raise more money if you ask me

It's a strange situation. There are alternative carriers available and RM have in place contingencies to arrange delivery in the event that staff object to being asked / tasked to do so.

The BNP have been flagging this up since 2004 which makes you wonder if they are, in fact, using the Representation of People Act merely as a means to heighten their profile in the run up to an election.

Cynical? Me?

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

It's a strange situation. There are alternative carriers available and RM have in place contingencies to arrange delivery in the event that staff object to being asked / tasked to do so.

The BNP have been flagging this up since 2004 which makes you wonder if they are, in fact, using the Representation of People Act merely as a means to heighten their profile in the run up to an election.

Cynical? Me?

Anything concerning the BNP should be treated with the utmost suspicion and cynicism

I for one will be following this to see the outcome as either way it will be very interesting