A Muslim MP

Originally Posted by Xaccers

This is why I think politics should be taught in schools.
I would estimate that the majority of people know pretty much nothing about how our system works.
If people were taught about it, I would have thought they'd be more interested in taking part by voting, or contacting their MP about concerns etc.

A very simplistic and therefore not totally accurate description of what happens is a bill is presented to either of the houses (Commons, full of MPs, and Lords, full of er well, Lords) for debate and a vote on it. If it passess it goes to the other house for a debate and vote, if both houses agree then it goes to the monarch to be signed into law and changes from a bill to an act (as it's an act of parliment).

So in order for say Common law to be replaced by Sharia law, the government would need to decide how the Sharia bill would be worded, would it have to decide how to word it, would it just say all laws would be null and void? What about parking laws etc which aren't covered by the Koran?
So would they amend every act to reflect sharia? That would take decades and probably bankrupt the nation.
The bill they decide on would go to the commons, be debated, and then they'd have to win the vote, then the bill will go before the Lords.
The lords would have to vote on it and agree that it should be passed.
Then it goes before the monarch who has the final say.
Now traditionally the monarch always signs bills into law, however they do not have to, so they could disolve parliment and force a general election.

It is taught in secondary schools in PHSE or PD or Citizenship lessons..It's the hardest lesson to teach because the students are mostly turned right off the subject.Even if you set up an election and arrange some of them to stand as candidates the majority just don't want to know.They talk through any presentations.
And if you think they are like that because I'm a cover teacher think again.They behave like this for the regular staff even for the senior staff.

Every single one of them will tell you they won't ever vote.Even the brightest kids.They find all the shouting and ranting in Parliament a turn off.

It's depressing.

[Ed2020]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

It is taught in secondary schools in PHSE or PD or Citizenship lessons..It's the hardest lesson to teach because the students are mostly turned right off the subject.Even if you set up an election and arrange some of them to stand as candidates the majority just don't want to know.They talk through any presentations.
And if you think they are like that because I'm a cover teacher think again.They behave like this for the regular staff even for the senior staff.

Every single one of them will tell you they won't ever vote.Even the brightest kids.They find all the shouting and ranting in Parliament a turn off.

It's depressing.

You can't blame them though when so many adults in the UK feel exactly the same way.

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

It is taught in secondary schools in PHSE or PD or Citizenship lessons..It's the hardest lesson to teach because the students are mostly turned right off the subject.Even if you set up an election and arrange some of them to stand as candidates the majority just don't want to know.They talk through any presentations.
And if you think they are like that because I'm a cover teacher think again.They behave like this for the regular staff even for the senior staff.

Every single one of them will tell you they won't ever vote.Even the brightest kids.They find all the shouting and ranting in Parliament a turn off.

It's depressing.

Can't you cane the little sods into submission Maggy? then use that as an example of what could happen if people didn't bother voting and an extreme party got in on a minority vote...

[Xaccers]

Teach them at a younger age and in a way which makes it interesting.
I first got taught about parliment when I was 8 and was interested.
But then, that wasn't a state school so the calibre of the teachers was somewhat higher.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Hmm, lets see, spend some money improving things in other areas of the globe, improving our image, paying to educate people so they aren't easy pray for extremists...
... or leave them with nothing to lose, open to exploitation from extremists either via brainwashing or simply by paying them which will cost us more.

Actually Xaccers, a healty proportion of scuicide bombers are well educated young men from what we would consider "middle class" families. Thus disproving the idea that all scuicide bombers come from some sort of socio-economically,disadvantaged section of their community....

[speedfreak]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Teach them at a younger age and in a way which makes it interesting.
I first got taught about parliment when I was 8 and was interested.
But then, that wasn't a state school so the calibre of the teachers was somewhat higher.

Agreed about it should be taught in schools, I havent got a clue about it and Im only just starting to learn/be bothered, disagree about the state school thing though, theres many a successful person thats been through state schooling. Not wanting to go off topic but being a teacher at a private school doesn't automatically make you a "better" teacher IMO

Maggy is right though, when I was at school I probably wouldnt have listened though I was never given the opportunity to.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

Actually Xaccers, a healty proportion of scuicide bombers are well educated young men from what we would consider "middle class" families. Thus disproving the idea that all scuicide bombers come from some sort of socio-economically,disadvantaged section of their community....

Who told you that?

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Originally Posted by speedfreak

Agreed about it should be taught in schools, I havent got a clue about it and Im only just starting to learn/be bothered, disagree about the state school thing though, theres many a successful person thats been through state schooling. Not wanting to go off topic but being a teacher at a private school doesn't automatically make you a "better" teacher IMO

Maggy is right though, when I was at school I probably wouldnt have listened though I was never given the opportunity to.

Personal success doesn't depend on the ability of your teachers, as demonstrated by the number of successful people who had poor educations.

EoB may be referring to the 9/11 bombers - not too sure if the same is true of your common-or-garden market/building suicide bombers?

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Who told you that.

I stumbled upon 2 excellent studies some weeks ago, and am trying to find them again. In the meantime I'll chuck in some links to news articles in the meantime.

http://www.israelinsider.com/channel...s/sec_0049.htm

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/..._educatio.html

http://www.physorg.com/news188542231.html

Hmmm.... pdf of the full study from the third link....

http://www.physorg.com/news188542231.html

The pdf is one of the 2 studies I read a couple of weeks ago. Still haven't found the other, but I'll keep looking....

[Xaccers]

The links deal with bombings from Palestine not bombers in general, although it does say those with an education/money are in a minority, and the PDF covers people's attitudes to bombings not the education/wealth of bombers.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

The links deal with bombings from Palestine not bombers in general, although it does say those with an education/money are in a minority, and the PDF covers people's attitudes to bombings not the education/wealth of bombers.

I know, as stated earlier this was one of two studies I read, and I still can't find the other. Prolly doesn't help that I found it by accident, while looking for info about a related issue.... Damn and blast my computer for needing a new mobo, and thus loosing all those links I had saved....

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

I know, as stated earlier this was one of two studies I read, and I still can't find the other. Prolly doesn't help that I found it by accident, while looking for info about a related issue.... Damn and blast my computer for needing a new mobo, and thus loosing all those links I had saved....

Pesky computers!

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Pesky computers!

Thankfully a good mate upgraded his mobo, cpu, ram, etc so he lent me the old bits until I get new bits on my own.... I reckon two - three weeks and I'll have an Intel i7 cpu, spiffy new mobo, 6 gig of ddr3 ram, 1 gig gfx card and a Razor Naga (mouse) for WoW.

Back on topic.... Still haven't found that second study, but shall keep looking....

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

I know, as stated earlier this was one of two studies I read, and I still can't find the other.

Was it by this guy?

Studies have resulted in conflicting results. Robert Pape, director of the Chicago Project on Suicide Terrorism and expert on suicide bombers, found the majority of suicide bombers came from the educated middle classes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide...e_of_attackers

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Was it by this guy?

Studies have resulted in conflicting results. Robert Pape, director of the Chicago Project on Suicide Terrorism and expert on suicide bombers, found the majority of suicide bombers came from the educated middle classes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide...e_of_attackers

It certainly may be the second study I was refering to, though my memory seems to be drawing a perverse blank. Nice find all the same Daddy.