Another protest against plans for a new mosque

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

The second part, is that saying that during the Eid prayers up to 25,000 people will be catered for, in blocks of 5,000, ie 5 prayers?

Don't know. but you should see what up to 5,000 people can do to cause havoc on the roads and surrounding area looks like.

you can't move!

What's the biggest capacity a church in a normal residential area will hold?

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Originally Posted by broadbandking

There are plenty why do we need more jeez.

Because they want them. I can't think of any other reason.
I can't see why you can't travel to one.

[Xaccers]

A building's capacity is determined by things such as fire exits, as my SU found out when they built what turned out to be an extra exit, not fire exit, for their hall, hoping to increase the capacity to 5000, instead they were stuck at 1500 and left with a large bill and no way to increase income to pay it.
Now, while if they'd got in reputable builders and adhered to the regulations they'd have had the capacity of 5000, there's no way you could actually fit 5000 in the hall, maybe half that at a push.
It's like lifts, they'll say "no more than 8 persons" yet you struggle to fit 4 in anyway.
Looking at the satelite photos of the mosque, there's a rather large car park attached to it's grounds.
As to why have centralised mosques, surely that's better and easier to manage than many small mosques scattered throughout residential areas?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Looking at the satelite photos of the mosque, there's a rather large car park attached to it's grounds.

It's probably no bigger than your average Supermarket one. and I was told that some of it doesn't belong to them, but the auto shop.

As to why have centralised mosques, surely that's better and easier to manage than many small mosques scattered throughout residential areas?

There's another big one just down the road. then you got the one in Dudley. not too far way.
You'd think they were small now the distance between them all.

[Xaccers]

Well, either there is a sufficiently large population of muslims to warrent them, or they're larger than they need to be, in which case they're not running at full capacity and nowhere near the 5000 it can technically hold are actually attending, in either case, so what's the problem?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Well, either there is a sufficiently large population of muslims to warrent them, or they're larger than they need to be, in which case they're not running at full capacity and nowhere near the 5000 it can technically hold are actually attending, in either case, so what's the problem?

I'm just thinking what the problem would be if they were a Tescos with a 5,000 capacity.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Gary L

I'm just thinking what the problem would be if they were a Tescos with a 5,000 capacity.

Well, you wouldn't have people objecting because they're not christians and are brown coloured, would you?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Well, you wouldn't have people objecting because they're not christians and are brown coloured, would you?

And if they were. what's the problem?

some people have said that's what half the problem is. some have said it's the building of too many of them.
there's all sorts of reasons why you may not want them. a few more than just the because they're not Christians and are brown coloured.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Gary L

And if they were. what's the problem?

some people have said that's what half the problem is. some have said it's the building of too many of them.
there's all sorts of reasons why you may not want them. a few more than just the because they're not Christians and are brown coloured.

Last time I checked, Tescos weren't an islamic company, nor run by Asians.
If it were, I would imagine people would object to a Tescos being built in their area on those grounds too. Already people object to cornershops which are run by Asians.

Originally Posted by Gary L

And if they were. what's the problem?

some people have said that's what half the problem is. some have said it's the building of too many of them.
there's all sorts of reasons why you may not want them. a few more than just the because they're not Christians and are brown coloured.

agreed ,i couldn't give a fig wether they are blue,green or pink nothing to do with it .It's the hassle that comes with it ,the objections from local residents(who usually get ignored) who have to live with the disruption ,the inconsiderate parking because the attached car park was nowhere big enough .Local home owners get slapped with all sorts of restrictions to build extentions, or put a conservatory up the same with local businesses and then a dirty great mosque gets built in the area complete with a minaret that never gets used

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Last time I checked, Tescos weren't an islamic company, nor run by Asians.
If it were, I would imagine people would object to a Tescos being built in their area on those grounds too. Already people object to cornershops which are run by Asians.

They'd have to be racists for objecting. there's nothing else they're allowed to be.
if you're against something we determine what characteristics stand out. if colour is one. we'll call it racism.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Last time I checked, Tescos weren't an islamic company, nor run by Asians.
If it were, I would imagine people would object to a Tescos being built in their area on those grounds too. Already people object to cornershops which are run by Asians.

it's a mistake to assume that everyone who objects to a new mosque is doing so because they are racist .As i have said there are alot of very practical reasons against them which a lot of the time seem to get ignored

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

it's a mistake to assume that everyone who objects to a new mosque is doing so because they are racist .As i have said there are alot of very practical reasons against them which a lot of the time seem to get ignored

That's why they call it ignorance

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by martyh

Local home owners get slapped with all sorts of restrictions to build extentions, or put a conservatory up the same with local businesses and then a dirty great mosque gets built in the area complete with a minaret that never gets used

I seem to recall a mosque in Oxford being "slapped with all sorts of restrictions" when its owners wanted to have working minarets (you're be happy with the minaret if it wasn't just decorative would you?).
There's a row of shops (Co-op, throatcutters, hair salon, two takeaways) with insufficient parking. Should they have been denied planning permission to convert the houses to businesses because of this, or should the council enforce parking restrictions and punish those who double park blocking the road?

Originally Posted by Xaccers

I seem to recall a mosque in Oxford being "slapped with all sorts of restrictions" when its owners wanted to have working minarets (you're be happy with the minaret if it wasn't just decorative would you?).
There's a row of shops (Co-op, throatcutters, hair salon, two takeaways) with insufficient parking. Should they have been denied planning permission to convert the houses to businesses because of this, or should the council enforce parking restrictions and punish those who double park blocking the road?

any building should have sufficient parking attached or in close proximity .If customers of said shops park illegaly then ticket them obviously ,..what's your point ?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by martyh

any building should have sufficient parking attached or in close proximity .If customers of said shops park illegaly then ticket them obviously ,..what's your point ?

My point is that sufficient parking is not a regulatory requirement for a building to get planning permission.
My parent's whole housing estate does not have sufficient parking. By your logic those houses should not have been given planning permission.
While it would be great if sufficient parking was a prerequisite, it's not.
If patrons of a mosque are parking illegally, then ticket them, if they're not but they're just inconveniencing other drivers slightly, then that's just something to live with.