Back to the 1970s? - Page 4

**Hugh** · 24-03-2010, 19:14

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well that's what democracy means.The majority have decided that being abusive to gays,people of differing races,religious persuasions is not going to be countenanced and those that say such things just can't.

It's not the fact that you feel we don't live in a democracy it's the fact that you don't have to right to live in your own dictatorship where you can incite hatred of others that don't meet with your approval.

Now having got your measure I've nothing more to discuss with you.

Good evening.

ashgray · 24-03-2010, 19:19

sorry maggie but i don't wish to incite hatred in anyone,yes there are people i don't like certainly but i don't hate anyone for the colour of there skin or there sexual persuasion.i may not like them but i certainly don't hate them.why most of the doctors i've seen in my life are coloured,i even helped a young coloured girl from the gambia with her studies at university and i found her charming.A lot more friendly and polite than a lot of english people i know.And as for homosexuals i've met a few in my time and i've never had a problem with them.i don't like the idea of what they do,infact i think its disgusting but i don't hate them as you seem to think.

what i object to is people like you saying that we live in a land of free speech when in reality we don't and we only live in a democracy for a few seconds at the ballot box after that we live in a dictatorship for the next 4 or 5 years.
soon it will either be a brown mandleson (god help us) dictatorship or a cameron (meet the new boss same as the old boss) dictatorship.

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

I don't know what your clapping at,you don't even know me.

**Hugh** · 24-03-2010, 19:22

I was applauding, and supporting, Maggie's sentiments, my Militant chummy.

Strange how you can say these things in this land of non-free speech......

Under your assumptions, the thought-police should have visited you by now.

I used to live next door (in West Berlin) to a real dictatorship (East Germany) - you really don't know what you are talking about (or do you believe that East Germany was a "workers paradise"?

**Maggy** · 24-03-2010, 19:26

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Originally Posted by ashgray

sorry maggie but i don't wish to incite hatred in anyone,yes there are people i don't like certainly but i don't hate anyone for the colour of there skin or there sexual persuasion.i may not like them but i certainly don't hate them.why most of the doctors i've seen in my life are coloured,i even helped a young coloured girl from the gambia with her studies at university and i found her charming.A lot more friendly and polite than a lot of english people i know.And as for homosexuals i've met a few in my time and i've never had a problem with them.i don't like the idea of what they do,infact i think its disgusting but i don't hate them as you seem to think.

what i object to is people like you saying that we live in a land of free speech when in reality we don't and we only live in a democracy for a few seconds at the ballot box after that we live in a dictatorship for the next 4 or 5 years.
soon it will either be a brown mandleson (god help us) dictatorship or a cameron (meet the new boss same as the old boss) dictatorship.

Then why decry the fact that you aren't allowed to say what you want about those groups...I think you are just trying to back track here.

Plus you are just repeating what you said earlier about democracy and I'm bored by that topic already.We have moved on from there.Have something new to say and I might stay around for a debate.

nomadking · 24-03-2010, 20:18

You're not allowed to comment on or criticize certain groups. If people do, they get accused of inciting hatred. If you're only allowed to praise certain groups, people end up with a ridiculously distorted and false view of that group.

**Hugh** · 24-03-2010, 21:17

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Originally Posted by nomadking

You're not allowed to comment on or criticize certain groups. If people do, they get accused of inciting hatred. If you're only allowed to praise certain groups, people end up with a ridiculously distorted and false view of that group.

There's a huge difference between "comment on" and "be inflammatory and provocative about" - unfortunately, some people can't tell the difference.....

Osem · 24-03-2010, 21:23

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Originally Posted by ashgray

Ballots can be fixed,just ask the people of Afghanistan or zimbabwe.

I'd also argue about us living in a democracy,we don't we live in a dictatorship.ok we can change our leader every 4 or 5 years but its still a dictatorship.try telling the one eyed scottish idiot or his minions there wrong,i bet you don't get anywhere.
Try asking for a referendum on anything.we only got rid of the poll tax because of the riots.

I reckon I dislike our current 'government' more intensely than most but you're not seriously comparing the electoral system here with that in Afghanistan or Zimbabwe are you? It's odd that you praise the integrity and supremacy of strike ballots yet claim our other elections are all somehow invalid...

Xaccers · 24-03-2010, 21:54

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

There's a huge difference between "comment on" and "be inflammatory and provocative about" - unfortunately, some people can't tell the difference.....

Indeed, I can say a friend's daughter who I let live with me rent free for nearly a year was a dirty jew.
She's jewish, never used shampoo, left food to rot in the fridge, and never cleaned her room

Osem · 24-03-2010, 21:58

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Indeed, I can say a friend's daughter who I let live with me rent free for nearly a year was a dirty jew.
She's jewish, never used shampoo, left food to rot in the fridge, and never cleaned her room

Are you sure she wasn't just a normal teenager?....

ashgray · 24-03-2010, 22:04

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Originally Posted by Osem

I reckon I dislike our current 'government' more intensely than most but you're not seriously comparing the electoral system here with that in Afghanistan or Zimbabwe are you? It's odd that you praise the integrity and supremacy of strike ballots yet claim our other elections are all somehow invalid...

All i said was that ballots can be rigged,i offered afghanistan and zimbabwe for example.nowhere did i compere the electoral system of these countries with the electoral system of this country.

please show me where i've praised the integrity and supremacy of strike ballots.

**Hugh** · 24-03-2010, 22:09

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Originally Posted by ashgray

All i said was that ballots can be rigged,i offered afghanistan and zimbabwe for example.nowhere did i compere the electoral system of these countries with the electoral system of this country.

please show me where i've praised the integrity and supremacy of strike ballots.

Except when you responded to Osem's post..

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Originally Posted by Osem

I'd happily tell them that. Resorting to the sort of unacceptable tactics used by the EDL (or anyone else for that matter) isn't the way to win round the silent majority and can be extremely counter-productive. Aggression and violence are not acceptable. We live in a democracy and we all have the option to 'fight' to change the law peacefully via the ballot box.

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Originally Posted by ashgray

Ballots can be fixed,just ask the people of Afghanistan or zimbabwe.

I'd also argue about us living in a democracy,we don't we live in a dictatorship.ok we can change our leader every 4 or 5 years but its still a dictatorship.try telling the one eyed scottish idiot or his minions there wrong,i bet you don't get anywhere.
Try asking for a referendum on anything.we only got rid of the poll tax because of the riots.

Osem · 24-03-2010, 22:10

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Originally Posted by ashgray

All i said was that ballots can be rigged,i offered afghanistan and zimbabwe for example.nowhere did i compere the electoral system of these countries with the electoral system of this country.

please show me where i've praised the integrity and supremacy of strike ballots.

Oh sorry, I must have got that all wrong, I just detected that theme to your argument..... So you're saying that strike ballots might not actually reflect the reality of what the majority of workers want?

Well if that's the case why aren't you a tad more forgiving of all those whose views on taking strike action differ from yours? Their view might actually be the majority view after all.....

ashgray · 24-03-2010, 22:10

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

There's a huge difference between "comment on" and "be inflammatory and provocative about" - unfortunately, some people can't tell the difference.....

oh yes they can,and you people say we live in a land of free speech.
so why can't people comment even if it is inflammatory and provocative.if you stop them saying it just because some people don't like it your censoring them aren't you.so please tell me how you can stop people saying things and then say we live in a land of free speech.

Xaccers · 24-03-2010, 22:11

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Originally Posted by Osem

Are you sure she wasn't just a normal teenager?....

She was 24.

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Originally Posted by ashgray

oh yes they can,and you people say we live in a land of free speech.
so why can't people comment even if it is inflammatory and provocative.if you stop them saying it just because some people don't like it your censoring them aren't you.so please tell me how you can stop people saying things and then say we live in a land of free speech.

Because we're British! And with that comes responsibility, manners and decency. Values which make this nation Great.
As has been stated many times in the past, the right to speach does not mean you have the right to shout fire in a crowded cinema and cause panic.
I can swing my fists as much as I like, but that right stops at the end of your nose.

Osem · 24-03-2010, 22:13

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

She was 24.

Well some 'teenagers' take a long time to grow up....