The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 3 - Page 4

Ignitionnet · 22-04-2010, 21:37

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Originally Posted by Damien

How do you make it less desirable? Economic strength, tolerant multi-cultural society are two of the things which attract people here. Two things that benefit us, essentially the better we are as a country the more attractive we are to the rest of the world.

Welfare state. We want people who can contribute, and be welcoming to them. People turning up hoping to sponge off us must have it made very clear they'll get nothing.

Cameron was weak apart from one segment which was when I commented. Lightweight who needs to get some cajones, some substance and wake up before next week. So many very simple counters he failed to supply.

Perhaps I'm being too harsh on him but I was so frustrated with him.

22-04-2010, 21:38

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Think longer term. Family class immigration applications based on amnestied relatives, more illegals turning up in hope of getting amnesty. Sound good?

before we start any new action on immigration we need to know how many illegals are here ,nobody expects it to be a permanent amnesty it only needs to be for maybe 1 yr any illegal that can prove they have been here longer than 12 months can choose to work and pay into the system ,or if they can't find work then community service or they can choose to be deported .I'm afraid that as distastefull as it would be to a lot of people i think it's the only way to go

Sirius · 22-04-2010, 21:39

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Originally Posted by Damien

How do you make it less desirable? Economic strength, tolerant multi-cultural society are two of the things which attract people here. Two things that benefit us, essentially the better we are as a country the more attractive we are to the rest of the world.

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Brown was better than last week. Cameron about the same to be honest. Clegg as bit worse.

My point is that Labour for the first time are on the back foot and they have become the third party behind the Tories and the Libs. That is something i could not have guessed 6 weeks ago. It refreshing to see the election take this course.

I could even be turned to the libs if it was not for the trident issue. I just cannot trust them on defence

**Mick** · 22-04-2010, 21:40

I think the debate has just started actually..

Former Lib leader Paddy Ashdown rowing with David Milliband on Sky news right now...

Ignitionnet · 22-04-2010, 21:41

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Originally Posted by martyh

before we start any new action on immigration we need to know how many illegals are here ,nobody expects it to be a permanent amnesty it only needs to be for maybe 1 yr any illegal that can prove they have been here longer than 12 months can choose to work and pay into the system ,or if they can't find work then community service or they can choose to be deported .I'm afraid that as distastefull as it would be to a lot of people i think it's the only way to go

The evidence based on other countries that have done amnesties says otherwise in a huge way. What I gave weren't my opinions, they were the experience of the USA after amnesty.

**Mick** · 22-04-2010, 21:41

Cameron has won according to the Ugov poll... on Sky news right now....

**Damien** · 22-04-2010, 21:41

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Welfare state. We want people who can contribute, and be welcoming to them. People turning up hoping to sponge off us must have it made very clear they'll get nothing.

Cameron was weak apart from one segment which was when I commented. Lightweight who needs to get some cajones, some substance and wake up before next week. So many very simple counters he failed to supply.

According you YouGov Cameron won

I think he started well...

Osem · 22-04-2010, 21:41

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Originally Posted by martyh

at least with a imigration amnesty you would have a better idea how many illegals are in the country ,the other 2 dismiss the idea that there are any illegals

How? The amnesty would apply only to those who've been here for 10 years IIRC.

**Damien** · 22-04-2010, 21:43

I don't believe that YouGov poll will be reflected elsewhere.

Sirius · 22-04-2010, 21:46

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Originally Posted by Damien

I don't believe that YouGov poll will be reflected elsewhere.

Lets see ?

**Mick** · 22-04-2010, 21:46

Can someone put a big plaster over that gobby Alastair Campbell..... Useless idiot.

**Damien** · 22-04-2010, 21:50

I am very surprised they put Cameron ahead. I guess it's not by much but I would have put Brown or Clegg ahead because as the debate went on Cameron seemed more and more marginal and quiet.

Tezcatlipoca · 22-04-2010, 21:53

YouGov: David Cameron 36%, Nick Clegg 32%, Gordon Brown 29%

Guardian live blog poll: Clegg 63.8%, Brown 28.4%, Cameron: 7.7% (although obviously, as they admit themselves, "it's a self-selecting audience"

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Channel 4 live blog poll: Nick Clegg 52%, Gordon Brown 31%, David Cameron 17%

**Damien** · 22-04-2010, 21:54

Ignore the Guardian poll because, it's the Guardian

(I am a reader though).

Channel 4 is interesting. I wouldn't put Cameron that far behind.

Tezcatlipoca · 22-04-2010, 21:55

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Originally Posted by Osem

How? The amnesty would apply only to those who've been here for 10 years IIRC.

Yup, 10 years & no criminal record (apart from being, well, an illegal immigrant of course).

That's actually longer than the cut-off in the amnesty proposed by Boris: 5 years.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Ignore the Guardian poll because, it's the Guardian

(I am a reader though).

Channel 4 is interesting. I wouldn't put Cameron that far behind.

Well, as they said "self selecting audience". Not going to find too many people who support Cameron using the Guardian website!