"Rights" of illegal immigrants? - Page 4

Taf · 11-01-2010, 17:42

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Originally Posted by martyh

so you don't want to lock them up on bread and water anymore?

Asylum seekers no.... unless they fail in their applications, or until they decide to claim asylum after working in the UK drugs, prostitution, gang, restaurant, corner shop, counterfeit trades, right up to the moment they get caught here illegally....

The thread was started about ILLEGAL immigrants.

Russ · 11-01-2010, 17:45

....in Italy.

11-01-2010, 17:45

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

All we have to do is enforce the geneva protocols on such issue's that clearly state everyone has a right to flee violence and persecution within whatever country BUT must take refuge\asylum in the first UN designated safe nation they come too. Therefore unless they arive in the UK on a boat from outside the european union or on a plane they should not be here.

It isn't a question of human rights it is a question of what is right and while i would happily agree to the UK contributing to a fund to help those fleeing violence\persecution and maybe even taking a quota of such people we should not be the final destination for the majority nor should we ever be the biggest contributor to any such fund.

End of the day hammering some poor sod that got out of whereever when he\she come's to the UK is petty and pointless because he\she is only doing what any of us would do if we found ourselves in some of the situations many of these people are in. We can be humane and compassinate without being mugs and that is the balance that any future government must get right, because we are only an island with limited space\resources and simply cannot continue as we are.

How many UN designated Nations have some of them come through to get to the UK?????????? I can count 4 in some cases there's 5. Why come through 5 countries to get to one?? Why don't they doss down in Greece, Italy, Germany, Spain, France on their way to the UK??

11-01-2010, 18:03

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Originally Posted by Taf

Asylum seekers no.... unless they fail in their applications, or until they decide to claim asylum after working in the UK drugs, prostitution, gang, restaurant, corner shop, counterfeit trades, right up to the moment they get caught here illegally....

The thread was started about ILLEGAL immigrants.

....being used by the mafia as slaves to do the jobs the italians won't do

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Originally Posted by Nidge

How many UN designated Nations have some of them come through to get to the UK?????????? I can count 4 in some cases there's 5. Why come through 5 countries to get to one?? Why don't they doss down in Greece, Italy, Germany, Spain, France on their way to the UK??

yes we know this i have already said the system has been abused for years ,thats not the point of the thread the point is, why do some people feel that locking up illegals and feeding them bread and water ,denying them basic human rights is a solution ?

11-01-2010, 18:22

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Originally Posted by martyh

....being used by the mafia as slaves to do the jobs the italians won't do

---------- Post added at 19:03 ---------- Previous post was at 18:57 ----------

yes we know this i have already said the system has been abused for years ,thats not the point of the thread the point is, why do some people feel that locking up illegals and feeding them bread and water ,denying them basic human rights is a solution ?

If we entered lets say Pakistan illegally without a passport or papers we'd be locked in a cell with 20 other Pakistani men with no toilet and running water, fed rice and stale water for at least a year until it was sorted out, why should we treat them any other way?? If we treat them hard they might not be in a rush to come back once released.

danielf · 11-01-2010, 18:36

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Originally Posted by martyh

yes we know this i have already said the system has been abused for years ,thats not the point of the thread the point is, why do some people feel that locking up illegals and feeding them bread and water ,denying them basic human rights is a solution ?

Same way a lot of people want to be able to beat intruders in their house to within an inch of their life. Some people are just Nazis apparently ruled by feelings of revenge and resentment.

11-01-2010, 18:38

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Originally Posted by Nidge

If we entered lets say Pakistan illegally without a passport or papers we'd be locked in a cell with 20 other Pakistani men with no toilet and running water, fed rice and stale water for at least a year until it was sorted out, why should we treat them any other way?? If we treat them hard they might not be in a rush to come back once released.

because it's not the illegals that would do that to us it's the government or military rulers of whatever oppresive regime they are trying to escape ,can't you see that

Flyboy · 11-01-2010, 19:44

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Originally Posted by Taf

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8450657.stm

I've been branded a NAZI in another forum to dare to suggest that illegal immigrants should have no "rights" and thus should not be rounded up and protected, but rounded up, detained on a bread and water diet, then a swift expulsion from the country... along with any lawyers that get in the way.

Your thoughts?

Which forum was this, Taf?