Domestic violence on the school curriculum?

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Okay...where does it say that is what they are going to teach children?

As I said before, there is nothing "sexy" about it at all. I think you mean "sexist."

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They are not "failing" to teach them anything. There is a whole raft of reasons why children can not read or write, it is not always the school's fault. To teach children to be better citizens is just as important as teaching the three "R"s

you really are a Nu Labour zealot,aren't you??

Keep the government out of my and my families life,thank very much! I am a responsible citizen,and I am so through my own will and ability!

There's no need for the gov to tell me what to eat,drink,ingest,think,feel or whatever.
Domestic violence is abhorrent,that's a no-brainer,and it's up to the families and individuals to live by that maxim.
No wonder we live in a culture of no responsibilty,'let the government run my life for me'!!

Flyboy,I suggest you move to a communist/stalinist country,there you can have the gov run your life for you to your hearts content.

PLEASE LEAVE ME AND MY FREEDOMS ALONE

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

First of all, one hour of homework a week is typical for an eight year old and is not confined to inner city schools. Having just one hour of homework has no bearing on a child's ability to read or write. Flyboy8 has only one hour a week and reads very well. But as has been suggested, children's ability to read and write and the causes thereof, are for different thread.

How do you imagine these subjects will be addressed for a five year old? Do you think they will be showed videos of local A+E departments full of women covered in blood and bruises, or of men wielding pick axe handles over cowering women?

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As speaks someone who has very little idea of how a school timetable works.

I think you need to stop assuming people have no idea of what they are talking about when you don't agree with what you say.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

I know how a school timetable works and I frequently find myself in Paul's frame of mind as to why some children are forced to learn say French or Spanish when their basic English skills are so weak.

But that still doesn't mean that children should not be taught that violence is wrong. I am sure that you will agree that the amount of homework, or the lack of it, is not the reason why some children can't read or write. I can agree that there are some oddities in some schools' timetables, but they are not the majority of schools. Flyboy10 has to learn French, but he suffers from a language disorder, he gets speech and language therapy at school and tries his best at French, not because he has to, but because he finds it fascinating and it is a change from all the input he gets from English literacy. His reading age is six years and nine months and his spelling age is a bit lower, but this is nothing at all to do with the way the school manage their curriculum, or how much homework he gets.

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Originally Posted by Will21st

you really are a Nu Labour zealot,aren't you??

Keep the government out of my and my families life,thank very much! I am a responsible citizen,and I am so through my own will and ability!

There's no need for the gov to tell me what to eat,drink,ingest,think,feel or whatever.
Domestic violence is abhorrent,that's a no-brainer,and it's up to the families and individuals to live by that maxim.
No wonder we live in a culture of no responsibilty,'let the government run my life for me'!!

Flyboy,I suggest you move to a communist/stalinist country,there you can have the gov run your life for you to your hearts content.

PLEASE LEAVE ME AND MY FREEDOMS ALONE

But there clearly is a need for children to be taught these things, because they are not getting taught about them anywhere else.

It makes me laugh when I hear "nanny state," or "it's my job to teach my children these things," when it is obvious that there is a need, because otherwise we wouldn't be seeing a rise on male-on-female violence. Just this week a study revealed an increase in young teenage girls being victims of physical abuse, from their male partners. How do you propose we should tackle such things? What suggestions can you come up with, that will solve this problem?

Originally Posted by Flyboy

But that still doesn't mean that children should not be taught that violence is wrong. I am sure that you will agree that the amount of homework, or the lack of it, is not the reason why some children can't read or write. I can agree that there are some oddities in some schools' timetables, but they are not the majority of schools. Flyboy10 has to learn French, but he suffers from a language disorder, he gets speech and language therapy at school and tries his best at French, not because he has to, but because he finds it fascinating and it is a change from all the input he gets from English literacy. His reading age is six years and nine months and his spelling age is a bit lower, but this is nothing at all to do with the way the school manage their curriculum, or how much homework he gets.

Did I imply at any point that children AREN'T taught that violence is wrong.

It's already part of the secondary school ethos that this is the case..Anyone using violence against another will be severely punished usually by internal detention,suspension,exclusion and in the case of the persistent, permanent exclusion.

Can't see how that is not a clear indication to the entire school population that violence is not acceptable already.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Did I imply at any point that children AREN'T taught that violence is wrong.

It's already part of the secondary school ethos that this is the case..Anyone using violence against another will be severely punished usually by internal detention,suspension,exclusion and in the case of the persistent, permanent exclusion.

Can't see how that is not a clear indication to the entire school population that violence is not acceptable already.

Sorry Maggy, after reading what I have written, I do believe you are right. I suppose what I meant to convey was that we shouldn't not ignore that this particular form of violence is singularly abhorrent. It needs to be made as socially unacceptable as other forms of abuse. When I was a kid, we had a mantra,"you don't hit a girl." Perhaps, it should be added that a girl should not hit a boy, but I really do believe that is a subject for another time. What I can't understand is people's attitudes that this advice and proposed teaching, should be ignored, because at the moment it doesn't included female-on-male domestic violence.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

What I can't understand is people's attitudes that this advice and proposed teaching, should be ignored, because at the moment it doesn't included female-on-male domestic violence.

Well just for the record I don't think any form of domestic violence should be ignored/trivialised but if that isn't what current government policy is doing, with respect to all the male victims of abuse, I'd like to see some evidence to the contrary. I can't recall a single significant government initiative aimed at assisting males who've been abused.