Mansfield teacher arrested over All Saints pupil assault

Originally Posted by Russ B

No Paul I'm not stopping anything. Last time I checked we're all entitled to views on here. The point I'm making is those who say "I had the cane when I was younger and it didn't affect me" completely fail to see the irony when they say they advocate the use of caning children.

Stop trying to twist my words as well.

I never said you cannot have a view (in fact, you didnt even express a view, so your comment is meaninless anyway, you asked a question)

You are quite deliberatly wording things trying to make out that people who support the use of the cane are somehow out to commit attempted murder or something.

What irony btw ? Obviously we are all missing it.

Originally Posted by alferret

If someone were goading me, taking the urine and swearing at me regardless if they are 14 or 40 they would get a slap up the side of the head from me.

There was none or very little abusive behaviour towards teachers 25 or more years ago, get rid of discipline and this is the result unruly kids who have no respect for themselves, their parents, teachers, police or even people walking down the street.

Its about time we got back to the old ways of dealing with oiks.

But you are not a teacher, with a duty of care towards the children in your charge. Whilst I was at school, the tawse/cane was used, but no one ever ended up in hospital with serious injuries due to it.

I find it difficult to comment on the incident, as not enough data seems to be available, and the only firm information is that a 14 year old has suffered serious injuries and is in hospital, two other pupils were hurt, and a teacher has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder.

[alferret]

My stepson goes to that school so I am in a position where I am hearing more than what is being discussed here and what is available on news sites\tv.

Your right I am not a teacher, but it goes to show that kids today dont respect their teachers, there are a lot of teachers who wont or dont say anything to the kids or to other staff members for fear of the lies that could and do issue from the mouths of those kids who are being arsey. like "he tried to touch me up" "he tried to hit me" "he hit me" 2he swore at me" etc.

Whats going to happen when the teachers say "we have had enough" and refuse to teach, whats going to happen then?

[soicky]

Originally Posted by alferret

My stepson goes to that school so I am in a position where I am hearing more than what is being discussed here and what is available on news sites\tv.

Your right I am not a teacher, but it goes to show that kids today dont respect their teachers, there are a lot of teachers who wont or dont say anything to the kids or to other staff members for fear of the lies that could and do issue from the mouths of those kids who are being arsey. like "he tried to touch me up" "he tried to hit me" "he hit me" 2he swore at me" etc.

Whats going to happen when the teachers say "we have had enough" and refuse to teach, whats going to happen then?

Majority of teachers aren't going to say that just like the majority of children aren't they way you described above.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Stop trying to twist my words as well.

Paranoia on a friday afternoon eh?

Originally Posted by Paul M

You are quite deliberatly wording things trying to make out that people who support the use of the cane are somehow out to commit attempted murder or something.

Impressive conjecture but quite wrong.

You said 'attempted murder', not me. The point I'm making is those who say things like "I had the cane and it never did me any harm" are usually the ones who advocate that punishment today. So the irony (quite surprised I have to point it out to you) is that they say it did them no harm however they seem happy for children to be hit with objects as punishment in schools.

If anyone hits my daughter (teacher or otherwise) they better believer they're in a whole world of trouble. I firmly believe that punishment is for the parents only. But if they use a weapon or an object, they've just turned up the heat 100%.

If people are in favour of corporal punishment for kids then that's one thing but if they're in favour of a cane/ruler/book or any other object/weapon then i really have to questions that person's supposed rational thinking.

Well it's no use bewailing the loss of the cane in school.

That horse has bolted and the stable door is firmly locked.

Society is going to have to deal with the consequences of children who have no respect for authority until it's too late and they have been expelled with a ruined and botched education trying to find a job(if they can be bothered) without the necessary qualifications.

I take comfort from the fact that most children do turn out ok..and do become pretty good adults.

[Derek]

He's been charged with attempted murder.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/n...re/8145352.stm

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

I take comfort from the fact that most children do turn out ok..and do become pretty good adults.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

From what l have read about the teacher, he was a nice guy, BUT what we have here is, that the teachers no longer have control over the kids, that we had when we were young.

Teachers from years ago were allowed to punish kids, if they were bad, and this is when you you got the cane or the slipper. Once they are in school, they are under the guidance of the school, so therefore if the kids are bad, the aschool should be allowed within reason to punish them.

Teachers can snap, but it takes a lot of pressure to make it go bang. Its the do gooders that say no, you can't smack kids, absolutely cobblers.

Originally Posted by Russ B

If anyone hits my daughter (teacher or otherwise) they better believer they're in a whole world of trouble. I firmly believe that punishment is for the parents only. But if they use a weapon or an object, they've just turned up the heat 100%.

But then your daughter probably wouldn't do anything which would justify the use of corporal punishment presumably, and therefore you would understandably be angry if anyone hit her.

If people are in favour of corporal punishment for kids then that's one thing but if they're in favour of a cane/ruler/book or any other object/weapon then i really have to questions that person's supposed rational thinking.

I'm perfectly rational, but some children are never going to respond to rational arguments against bad behaviour. I can't see any alternative to the cane for them. I'm fed up with mine and other people's children's education being interrupted by the badly behaved.

Just today, one of my children told me that two year 9 children got dangerously drunk in the school's grounds, and had to be restrained by the police, with one getting a dislocated knee in the process. There are badly behaved children in every one of his classes. And this is in a school described as 'outstanding' by Ofsted. What hope is there for the education of children in schools rated as 'inadequate'?

Originally Posted by Russ B

So the irony (quite surprised I have to point it out to you) is that they say it did them no harm however they seem happy for children to be hit with objects as punishment in schools.

Nope, still missing the irony here.

Originally Posted by Russ B

I firmly believe that punishment is for the parents only.

What ? So teachers/police whatever should not be allowed to punish your child. God help the world if that ever became reality.

Originally Posted by Russ B

...if they use a weapon or an object, they've just turned up the heat 100%.

There you go again with the "weapon". A cane is not a weapon in this context. A knife, a gun yes, a cane, no - (and no, im not suggesting we shoot them (just yet anyway ).

Originally Posted by Russ B

If people are in favour of corporal punishment for kids then that's one thing but if they're in favour of a cane/ruler/book or any other object/weapon then i really have to questions that person's supposed rational thinking.

Weapon again ?? Anyway, feel free to question it, I question the thinking of someone who believes only parents can punish children. I wonder if we had a vote, would the majority be in favour or against the cane/ruler.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

So RussB, l have to totally disagree with you, This is the biggest problem in society today, some parents WON'T punish there kids in fear of being prosecuted by there own kids, this is how bloody stupid this country is.

Once kids are in school, they are down to the school, when kids apply to a school, the parents should be told that children will be reasonably punished for wrong doing on school premises on on the boundaries, when was the last time, you got kids swearing at you in the street or misbehaving outside your house, they are doing it all over, this is why they get asbo's.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Nope, still missing the irony here.

It's lost on you then.

What ? So teachers/police whatever should not be allowed to punish your child. God help the world if that ever became reality.

I did not say they shouldn't allowed to punish her.

There you go again with the "weapon". A cane is not a weapon in this context. A knife, a gun yes, a cane, no - (and no, im not suggesting we shoot them (just yet anyway ).

If it's not a weapon, why were they and rulers etc used in schools?

Weapon again ?? Anyway, feel free to question it, I question the thinking of someone who believes only parents can punish children. I wonder if we had a vote, would the majority be in favour or against the cane/ruler.

And you're free to question it all you want. But if anyone else lays a finger on a child of mine, things will get pretty heated. I'm not interested in what 'the majority' want. The Sun is the most popular paper in the country, that doesn't mean it contains 1 gram of common sense.

Simple solution here, bring back the cane and a gold old slap round the earhole. I've said it a thousand times and I'll keep saying it, the PC brigade have ruined this country with their "lets treat them with cotton gloves attitude". It's about time the cotten gloves were took off and give them a good crack round the side of the head if they step out of line.


Bring back the cane before all the schools fall into anarchy.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Nidge

Simple solution here, bring back the cane and a gold old slap round the earhole. I've said it a thousand times and I'll keep saying it, the PC brigade have ruined this country with their "lets treat them with cotton gloves attitude". It's about time the cotten gloves were took off and give them a good crack round the side of the head if they step out of line.


Bring back the cane before all the schools fall into anarchy.

Were kids all perfectly well behaved when the cane was used? Was there no youth crime at all?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by freezin

I'm perfectly rational, but some children are never going to respond to rational arguments against bad behaviour. I can't see any alternative to the cane for them. I'm fed up with mine and other people's children's education being interrupted by the badly behaved.

I don't think the cane is the answer, a lot of kids get beaten at home and it doesn't improve their behaviour. Problem is imo that it's ok to be a loser, cool infact and these losers are exactly the same morons stabbing people because they didn't show them any respect, it'd be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

if anyone else lays a finger on a child of mine, things will get pretty heated. I'm not interested in what 'the majority' want.

Sadly Russ to many people share a similar opinion, hence parents assulting teachers because little Johnny had a detention, the school is responsible for them from 8 till 3 or whenever time and whatever punishments deemed legally appropriate should suffice, instead of being on the schools side some parents are on the kids and think nothing of shouting the odds regardless of what the little blighter has done.