When The 50MB Rollout Is Done - New Tier Thoughts - Page 4

telfordcable · 27-04-2009, 12:29

I don't think Virgin Media wouldn't listen to all of us talking about STM or download cap as we know what they are really like, I think they will make it worse soon once the 50Meg roll out is completed and then STM will be updated on the site, could be lots worse or could be better. I think STM is staying forever, even if you like it or not, tough life.

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I don't want Â£100 per month for 100Gb per day (it silly idea) I rather Â£40 for 50Mb but a 500Gb per month is more than enough. (except upload is unlimited)

broadbandking · 27-04-2009, 12:31

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Originally Posted by telfordcable

I don't think Virgin Media wouldn't listen to all of us talking about STM or download cap as we know what they are really like, I think they will make it worse soon once the 50Meg roll out is completed and then STM will be updated on the site, could be lots worse or could be better. I think STM is staying forever, even if you like it or not, tough life.

Very true STM is never going and the more load placed on the network from new interweb app's the tighter STM will become.

Caps won't ever be used by VM as that sounds like its not unlimited they prefer to manage your speed just sounds better.

telfordcable · 27-04-2009, 12:35

I be very surprise if 50Mb STM will be a limit of 10Gb from 9am to 3pm then 4Gb from 4pm till 9pm. I think they will. Because I think Virgin Media would say if you want to complaint about download cap isn't enough - then use it outside the hours between 9pm and 9am appear to be fair.

Ignitionnet · 27-04-2009, 14:58

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Originally Posted by broadbandking

Very true STM is never going and the more load placed on the network from new interweb app's the tighter STM will become.

Then Virgin would be idiots and will end up with 50%+ of customers triggering STM as sustained usage increases. This is not going to happen.

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Caps won't ever be used by VM as that sounds like its not unlimited they prefer to manage your speed just sounds better.

We'll see. Depends how much money they think they stand to gain or lose really.

AbyssUnderground · 27-04-2009, 15:13

Despite all this argument, I'd still prefer a cap with STM when the cap is reached over heavier STM as it currently stands...

cook1984 · 27-04-2009, 23:32

VM will never agree to monthly caps. They have STM because their network can't cope with the load in the evening. Monthly caps would just mean everything is crap for the first three weeks of the month and then almost passable for the final week.

It would be worse for customer's too. You can get STM'ed even if you don't go over the limits, due to things like incorrect configs, incorrect clocks and cloned modems. I have been hit with STM after 9pm on a number of occasions, as well as being hit with it the moment I turn my PC on when I get home from work having downloaded zero bytes.

It would also cause problems for people trying to use services like iPlayer or subscription downloads. Say you hit the limit half way through the month, that means you will miss programs on iPlayer because your connection has been throttled to pathetic speeds and they only stay on for a week. At least at the moment you can just wait for the next day and hope whoever cloned your modem isn't on too.

scu11y69 · 28-04-2009, 00:04

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Originally Posted by chickendippers

Fork out the cash and get yourself a dedicated non-contended service then and be prepared to pay at least Â£100 for it!

With a monthly cap people still download during the traditional peak time, as for a lot of people that's the only time they can keep an eye on the progress.

BEunlimited is unlimited!!!!! no caps no stm

Ignitionnet · 28-04-2009, 13:30

Check this out:

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/C...or-9995-102133

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Confirming our earlier reports that Cablevision was cooking up a speedier new DOCSIS 3.0 offering, Cablevision tells us this morning that the company will be launching a new "Ultra" tier on May 11. The new tier features speeds of 101Mbps downstream and 15Mbps upstream for $99.95 a month.

That's what real competition does, the thing sadly absent from here.

KingDaveRa · 28-04-2009, 18:55

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Originally Posted by Broadbandings

Check this out:

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/C...or-9995-102133

That's what real competition does, the thing sadly absent from here.

I read that article and thought the exact same thing. I came here to see if anybody had posted it!

When BT get their FTTC going, it'll be some sort of viable competition, but until then Virgin are basically going to do what they want. Customers can walk, but they'll not find anything faster. They know that all too well.

Ignitionnet · 28-04-2009, 19:17

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Originally Posted by KingDaveRa

When BT get their FTTC going, it'll be some sort of viable competition, but until then Virgin are basically going to do what they want. Customers can walk, but they'll not find anything faster. They know that all too well.

2010 to start rollout and 40Mbit downstream (the number that people really care about).

Bleh

Zhadnost · 28-04-2009, 20:10

Sadly being british, the number people seem to really care about is the one after the Â£ symbol.

Turkey Machine · 28-04-2009, 20:15

The downstream doesn't bother me, the upstream does. If that's not above 4Mbit, I won't consider it.

internetguy · 28-04-2009, 20:18

I say they should invest money in methods to kick off all the people using hacked/cloned modems. This would save them a considerable amount of money and bandwidth, perhaps even enough to not have STM/limits at all for paying customers.

AbyssUnderground · 28-04-2009, 20:27

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Originally Posted by Turkey Machine

The downstream doesn't bother me, the upstream does. If that's not above 4Mbit, I won't consider it.

Agreed.

About the cloners, isn't DOCSIS3 supposed to stop them?

downupload · 28-04-2009, 22:37

Monthly limits are FAR worse. At least with daily caps you get your speed back the next day. Having it capped for the rest of the month would be ridiculous. Protocol specific shaping is also a bad idea - SSL would be 'unknown traffic' or if it was identified by port number, what's to stop p2p using port 80 for example?
Just leave things the way they are. Or better still, scrap the caps altogether. I mean where's the proof they actually make any difference? Rather than rolling out faster broadband, spend the money on letting people download whenever they like!