Last Round on the Underground

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Maybe for day time commuters, but after dark I've witnessed lots of louts drinking and being disruptive while travelling on the tube.
So, should they be stopped from drinking on the tube, or are you happy for them to carry on?
Is it ok for someone to be drunk and disorderly on the tube?
Is it ok for someone who is drunk and disorderly on the tube to get more drunk while on the tube?
Is it ok for someone who isn't quite drunk to become drunk while on the tube?

Use the Tube a lot do you? Because I live in London and use it most days/nights and tbh a few idiots aside I haven't really seen much of a problem. More importantly I know 'a lot' of people who work for the Underground at all levels from station supervisors to higher management and they say the law isn't needed, isn't wanted and they'll struggle to enforce it, so what's the point of it? As ever the majority suffer. I wonder how many times Boris has been on the Tube?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Use the Tube a lot do you? Because I live in London and use it most days/nights and tbh a few idiots aside I haven't really seen much of a problem. More importantly I know 'a lot' of people who work for the Underground at all levels from station supervisors to higher management and they say the law isn't needed, isn't wanted and they'll struggle to enforce it, so what's the point of it? As ever the majority suffer. I wonder how many times Boris has been on the Tube?

No I don't, yet the few times I've used it late at night I've witnessed revellers drinking and causing trouble on some of them.
You say you haven't seen much of a problem, so you've seen it being a problem.
It's difficult to enforce a smoking ban, yet strangely enough it's been working, or do you see as many people smoking where it's banned as you did before?

Is it ok for someone who isn't quite drunk to become drunk while on the tube?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

No I don't, yet the few times I've used it late at night I've witnessed revellers drinking and causing trouble on some of them.
You say you haven't seen much of a problem, so you've seen it being a problem.
It's difficult to enforce a smoking ban, yet strangely enough it's been working, or do you see as many people smoking where it's banned as you did before?

Is it ok for someone who isn't quite drunk to become drunk while on the tube?

Why do I care if some one who isn't quite drunk becomes drunk on the tube and why do you? If he isn't affecting you or your life why should it concern you? Don't you find it interesting that on some trains into the city they'll sell you booze that you can happily quaff on your journey?

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Use the Tube a lot do you? Because I live in London and use it most days/nights and tbh a few idiots aside I haven't really seen much of a problem. More importantly I know 'a lot' of people who work for the Underground at all levels from station supervisors to higher management and they say the law isn't needed, isn't wanted and they'll struggle to enforce it, so what's the point of it? As ever the majority suffer. I wonder how many times Boris has been on the Tube?

Xaccers paints a picture that suggests the tube is full of drunks all the time. If someone with no experience of the tube read his posts they'd think that the tube is actually an extension of the pub. Drinking on the tube as far as I recall has never the problem that he makes it out to be.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Why do I care if some one who isn't quite drunk becomes drunk on the tube and why do you? If he isn't affecting you or your life why should it concern you? Don't you find it interesting that on some trains into the city they'll sell you booze that you can happily quaff on your journey?

Maybe if you'd been affected by some of those drunks you'd know better.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Xaccers paints a picture that suggests the tube is full of drunks all the time. If someone with no experience of the tube read his posts they'd think that the tube is actually an extension of the pub. Drinking on the tube as far as I recall has never the problem that he makes it out to be.

So because you've never witnessed an incident, it never happens?
Incidently, how is "the few times I've used it late at night I've witnessed revellers drinking and causing trouble on some of them" painting a picture that suggests the tube is full of drunks all the time? Please do explain that one.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

So because you've never witnessed an incident, it never happens?
Incidently, how is "the few times I've used it late at night I've witnessed revellers drinking and causing trouble on some of them" painting a picture that suggests the tube is full of drunks all the time? Please do explain that one.

So in the style of your responses to other posts.....

Because you have seen incidents "a few times, late at night", do you think the underground is full of drunks and that drinking on the underground is a problem that warrants a blanket ban?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Maybe if you'd been affected by some of those drunks you'd know better.

Perhaps if you worked on the underground you'd know better, this law in their opinion isn't wanted or needed.

How were you affected, their snoring disturb you did it? That's what most do who have had a few that I have seen, frankly buskers are more annoying.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Probably but how many who attended the event didn't get arrested and didn't cause any trouble what so ever?

I know at least one, and if I'd been in the country, I'd have known two.. I was invited by a friend and possibly would have gone. I would not have caused trouble though.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Perhaps if you worked on the underground you'd know better, this law in their opinion isn't wanted or needed.

How were you affected, their snoring disturb you did it? That's what most do who have had a few that I have seen, frankly buskers are more annoying.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

So in the style of your responses to other posts.....

Because you have seen incidents "a few times, late at night", do you think the underground is full of drunks and that drinking on the underground is a problem that warrants a blanket ban?

I've made no suggestion that I think the underground is full of drunks (has been on several occasions though).

To both of you, how many incidents where someone has gotten drunk on the tube and started a fight do you consider unacceptable? 10? 30? 150?
Personally I don't consider a single incident like that acceptable.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

I've made no suggestion that I think the underground is full of drunks (has been on several occasions though).

To both of you, how many incidents where someone has gotten drunk on the tube and started a fight do you consider unacceptable? 10? 30? 150?
Personally I don't consider a single incident like that acceptable.

I have used the underground regulary to commute to and from work for anywhere up to 2 to 3 years at a time, since I was 14 or so and to date I have only seen one fight on the tube and that had nothing to do with anyone being drunk.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Xaccers
I've made no suggestion that I think the underground is full of drunks (has been on several occasions though).

To both of you, how many incidents where someone has gotten drunk on the tube and started a fight do you consider unacceptable? 10? 30? 150?
Personally I don't consider a single incident like that acceptable.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I have used the underground regulary to commute to and from work for anywhere up to 2 to 3 years at a time, since I was 14 or so and to date I have only seen one fight on the tube and that had nothing to do with anyone being drunk.

I have used it regularly (almost every day) for 20 odd years and never seen a drunken fight, I have seen plenty of football fights and one **** bag hit a blind man who bumped into him.

I notice our mayor hasn't banned booze at Henley, I am sure the toffs shouldn't really be getting on those boats after drinking all that champers, anything could happen, or is it one rule for the stinking rich and another for every one else. As I said earlier, perhaps it's also escaped his attention that you can buy a drink on certain trains into the city as well.

Whilst we are on this nannying/moral crusade we have a lot of gun crime, therefore perhaps anyform of gun, replica, toy, sporting or otherwise should be banned to avoid gun glorification

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I have used the underground regulary to commute to and from work for anywhere up to 2 to 3 years at a time, since I was 14 or so and to date I have only seen one fight on the tube and that had nothing to do with anyone being drunk.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I have used it regularly (almost every day) for 20 odd years and never seen a drunken fight

And?
Big deal, neither of you have been unlucky enough to be affected by people drinking on the Tube.
Unless you're suggesting that no one has ever been affected by people drinking on the Tube because you've never seen it. Is that what you two are suggesting?

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Whilst we are on this nannying/moral crusade we have a lot of gun crime, therefore perhaps anyform of gun, replica, toy, sporting or otherwise should be banned to avoid gun glorification

Where have you been for the past couple of years? Take a look at section 36 of the Violent crime reduction act 2006.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

And?
Big deal, neither of you have been unlucky enough to be affected by people drinking on the Tube.
Unless you're suggesting that no one has ever been affected by people drinking on the Tube because you've never seen it. Is that what you two are suggesting?

No what I am suggesting through knowledge of what people who actually work on the tube at all levels say is that this law isn't wanted or needed, little shock really though that you think your opinion and limited experience is more worthy than those that actually deal with it everyday.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

No what I am suggesting through knowledge of what people who actually work on the tube at all levels say is that this law isn't wanted or needed, little shock really though that you think your opinion and limited experience is more worthy than those that actually deal with it everyday.

What you're saying is that workers on the Tube and yourself care so little about victims of drunks that they'd rather poo-poo a Tory idea than say "ok it doesn't happen often, but we'd rather it didn't happen at all"

As you didn't answer before, I'll ask again. How many incidents do you consider unacceptable?

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

What you're saying is that workers on the Tube and yourself care so little about victims of drunks that they'd rather poo-poo a Tory idea than say "ok it doesn't happen often, but we'd rather it didn't happen at all"

I read the post(s), read it again, and again, and nope it doesn't say that at all... Stop being so melodramatic Xac.