ID cards rethink to be unveiled

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by freezin

It was a lot more so then than it's been evolving into since. I'd say that's an indisputable fact. And ID cards were abolished in the 1952 (having only been required from 1939). Government responded to the pressure, unlike now.

Government responded to the law, the law that the state had implimented, not the people.

The idea that a government or state should be the servant of it's people is a nice one, but it's just an idea. A servant cannot govern.

[ginge51]

We have the most retarded government going,end of.
The idiots are aledgedly labour,the "peoples" party.
Yet "the people"have very,very little if no say whatsoever on big matter or laws that are about to come in place.
No wonder world governmen5ts are so corrupt,they have way to much power and involvement in everything.
God only knows what Britain will be like if labour get another 4 years?

[THESHAOLIN1]

Originally Posted by Nugget

Mind you, it takes a special type of mind to make a spelling mistake in a post criticising somebody who pointed out a spelling mistake...

or someone who doesnt spend there life on a forum and actually runs business's....

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Originally Posted by Derek S

If you can't contribute anything meaningful to the discussion don't bother contributing at all.

And DO NOT post another link to log people out of the board

sounds a bit double standards but what ever.

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Rose tinted glasses? Can I borrow them on Mondays?

People have always been the servants of the state.
People cannot control government.
They can vote them in and out, but once in power, they're firmly in a position of governance.
Look at the referendum vote, all parties said they'd hold one, Labour and LibDem whips ordered their members to tow the party line rather than vote how their constituants would have wanted.

the fact is governments were created FOR the people. The idea of a democracy is that we have a say.

We have none of these things, the government just do what they want n we come along for the ride.

and the majority just do what there told to do because there weak minded.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

or someone who doesnt spend there life on a forum and actually runs business's....

'Businesses'.

[shawty]

I do what I want within the law, always have (only 23) always will, never been into trouble, never get the attention of the Police, been searched once in the street when the Police had reports of 3 young lads (was about 15 at the time) breaking into cars, had no problem with this, on my way within 5 minutes. Glad they were doing there job.

I predict I will go on in life like this with ID cards or not, I dont see what all the fuss is about (on the side of the big brother type thing) I can carry on doing what Im doing, I dont think the government will give two flying toots that Im buying condoms and cookies from Asda or a pizza from Pizza Hut.

People said the same about CCTV when it was first introduced. Id rather have CCTV at the end of my street rather than not. I want to see who it actually is scratching peoples cars and knocking the wing mirrors off.

The big brother believers are pathetic in my opinion. If you are doing nothing wrong, no one cares what you are doing.

[THESHAOLIN1]

Originally Posted by Russ B

'Businesses'.

since when was spelling on an internet forum relevant.... Your lucky im not speaking pure slang to you old timers.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

since when was spelling on an internet forum relevant....

It's only relevant when you're correcting someone else's spelling mistakes.[/quote]

Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

Your lucky im not speaking pure slang to you old timers.

And I'm glad. I don't understand 'txt spk'.

[THESHAOLIN1]

Originally Posted by shawty

I do what I want within the law, always have (only 23) always will, never been into trouble, never get the attention of the Police, been searched once in the street when the Police had reports of 3 young lads (was about 15 at the time) breaking into cars, had no problem with this, on my way within 5 minutes. Glad they were doing there job.

I predict I will go on in life like this with ID cards or not, I dont see what all the fuss is about (on the side of the big brother type thing) I can carry on doing what Im doing, I dont think the government will give two flying toots that Im buying condoms and cookies from Asda or a pizza from Pizza Hut.

People said the same about CCTV when it was first introduced. Id rather have CCTV at the end of my street rather than not. I want to see who it actually is scratching peoples cars and knocking the wing mirrors off.

The big brother believers are pathetic in my opinion. If you are doing nothing wrong, no one cares what you are doing.

just because you have no value for your human rights, privacy, do not call others pathetic who do care.

Ive already explained crime is the product of poverty and lack of understanding. Which is brought about by school, nothing to do, lack of education at school on REAL LIFE and a whole host of other things.

In my areas there literally nothing to do its just absulote logic that kids are gonna mess around n do what ever on the streets because everything costs more than these kids can afford. So thats there fault is it?

secondly the CCTV is stepping it up its called monitoring its so you get use to it so as they bring in more n more you will just accept it as normal. Kids in my old school nowadays have fingerprint scanners to get there food (which have probably already stolen there DNA and fingerprints and now the authorities have them).

and if you really think they care about what you buy you really are foolish.

These are called stepping stones. They've done it all through history.

Microchip in the passport was the first step then they started mentionining i.d cards and talking about the VERICHIP on live national mainstream news and the "benefits" of it.

Some of you guys i question are you a lab rat to be tested or are you a free human?

Also the law is changing my friend when does the time come when the law breaches your human rights. It already has mine because im youth and youth's are treated like **** by old bill. Just a pure fact and dont come out with your stereotyping to back them "oh your probably looking suspicious or doing something wrong" because if police work of stereotyping and discrimination.....i guess that says alot about the UK n the mentalities supporting the police...

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Originally Posted by Russ B

It's only relevant when you're correcting someone else's spelling mistakes.

i wasnt correcting anyone mistakes..

And I'm glad. I don't understand 'txt spk'.[/QUOTE]

that is not slang, that is shortened words for text messages, i never use that.

[shawty]

Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

just because you have no value for your human rights, privacy, do not call others pathetic who do care.

Why? Im allowed an opinion aint I?

Ive already explained crime is the product of poverty and lack of understanding. Which is brought about by school, nothing to do, lack of education at school on REAL LIFE and a whole host of other things.

And that some Humans are just not right in the head. Crime can happen from people who had a good up brining, went to private school, got a good education and they can still turn to crime.

In my areas there literally nothing to do its just absulote logic that kids are gonna mess around n do what ever on the streets because everything costs more than these kids can afford. So thats there fault is it?

Do things actually cost more, if they do its surely not by much.

Bowling, Cinema, fishing, football, swimming, cricket, tennis, squash, pool, snooker, dancing, ballet, fencing, computer games, running, hiking, camping, arcades, skating, rock climbing (indoors and outdoors), biking, cooking, you get the jist.

Yes, it is there fault, most of what I listed is free.

secondly the CCTV is stepping it up its called monitoring its so you get use to it so as they bring in more n more you will just accept it as normal. Kids in my old school nowadays have fingerprint scanners to get there food (which have probably already stolen there DNA and fingerprints and now the authorities have them).

Who do you think you are, why do you think your so important that everyone wants to spy on you? I will say something now, unless your comiting a crime, then the government with their CCTV couldnt give a toss that you drive a Ford and shop at Tesco. They are there for our safety, how many cases do you think would be shot out of court if it wasnt for CCTV.

and if you really think they care about what you buy you really are foolish.

They dont, thats what the whole point is. You put yourself so high up on your pedistal that you are paranoid about your privacy, which when you think about, unless you are doing something illegal, they dont care what you are doing, pick your nose infront of one, you might give the CCTV operator a quick giggle, its not like anything else will happen.

These are called stepping stones. They've done it all through history.

Its called looking out for the saftey of Humans. If the Human race was perfect, we wouldnt need all this anyway, so we can really only blame 'ourselfs' really.

Microchip in the passport was the first step then they started mentionining i.d cards and talking about the VERICHIP on live national mainstream news and the "benefits" of it.

But, and again, if your not doing anything illegal, then they are not bothered where you shop what car you drive and wither you use your little or big finger to pick your nose.

Some of you guys i question are you a lab rat to be tested or are you a free human?

Im doing exactly the same thing I was years ago and I will continue to do what Im doing for years to come. CCTV, ID cards and the such wont change this, because Im doing nothing wrong, hence they couldnt give a toss about me.

Also the law is changing my friend when does the time come when the law breaches your human rights. It already has mine because im youth and youth's are treated like **** by old bill. Just a pure fact and dont come out with your stereotyping to back them "oh your probably looking suspicious or doing something wrong" because if police work of stereotyping and discrimination.....i guess that says alot about the UK n the mentalities supporting the police...

They are doing their job. Ive been searched because we were 3 young lads walking the street at night. If you are doing nothing wrong, you are gone within 5 minutes. The youth of today (the trouble causing ones) want a good kick up the backside and its only right that the Police have the rights and powers to stop people that look suspicious, its gone on for years and will carry on to do so for the forseable future. 9 times out 0f 10 (not actuall fingures) they might get it wrong, but for the 1 time they dont get it wrong, it might save someone being robbed/knifed/shot/beat up, why do you have a problem with this.

[papa smurf]

well i can say id cards wont change my life, cos this old timer wont be having one big scottish brother can shove it where the sun dont shine

[THESHAOLIN1]

Originally Posted by shawty

Why? Im allowed an opinion aint I?



And that some Humans are just not right in the head. Crime can happen from people who had a good up brining, went to private school, got a good education and they can still turn to crime.

of corse of corse but...

"An opinion is not neccessarily correct just because your willing to die for it" - Oscar Wilde.

and yeah crime is varied but it all leads back to the same thing always those who control you n the way they run things + the mentality thats fed to the majority.

Do things actually cost more, if they do its surely not by much.

Bowling, Cinema, fishing, football, swimming, cricket, tennis, squash, pool, snooker, dancing, ballet, fencing, computer games, running, hiking, camping, arcades, skating, rock climbing (indoors and outdoors), biking, cooking, you get the jist.

Yes, it is there fault, most of what I listed is free.

lol @ free i dunno where your from mate maybe in your little village of friendly people but it certainly isnt that way or free here. And about do things cost more....i thought that was logic.



Who do you think you are, why do you think your so important that everyone wants to spy on you? I will say something now, unless your comiting a crime, then the government with their CCTV couldnt give a toss that you drive a Ford and shop at Tesco. They are there for our safety, how many cases do you think would be shot out of court if it wasnt for CCTV.

who do you think you are? you dont even value your own privacy or human rights but then call others who do pathetic?

and no its called breeching your privacy, enforcing more laws which take away freedoms that is a dictatorship last time i review definitions. Its got nothing to do with being a criminal give people an inch they'll take a mile before u know it it will go levels way beyond that crimes only gonna get worse using force will not change anything, the way were going the whole of uk will be some kind of super prison for people with the middle class stuck up people (holding the same mentalities as you) will just walk around thinking its benefiting them to be a total n utter bar coded followed, tracked and lacking freedoms slave.

To remove a problem you have to go to the source of it, which means CCTV, more police, More Force, More weapons, More prisons will not solve **** all.



They dont, thats what the whole point is. You put yourself so high up on your pedistal that you are paranoid about your privacy, which when you think about, unless you are doing something illegal, they dont care what you are doing, pick your nose infront of one, you might give the CCTV operator a quick giggle, its not like anything else will happen.



Its called looking out for the saftey of Humans. If the Human race was perfect, we wouldnt need all this anyway, so we can really only blame 'ourselfs' really.



But, and again, if your not doing anything illegal, then they are not bothered where you shop what car you drive and wither you use your little or big finger to pick your nose.



Im doing exactly the same thing I was years ago and I will continue to do what Im doing for years to come. CCTV, ID cards and the such wont change this, because Im doing nothing wrong, hence they couldnt give a toss about me.



They are doing their job. Ive been searched because we were 3 young lads walking the street at night. If you are doing nothing wrong, you are gone within 5 minutes. The youth of today (the trouble causing ones) want a good kick up the backside and its only right that the Police have the rights and powers to stop people that look suspicious, its gone on for years and will carry on to do so for the forseable future. 9 times out 0f 10 (not actuall fingures) they might get it wrong, but for the 1 time they dont get it wrong, it might save someone being robbed/knifed/shot/beat up, why do you have a problem with this.

As for the other questions im about to go out so ive not got time to reply but if you seriously think police stop u n it takes 5 minutes your delirious, ive been stopped hundreds of time i spend alot of days in east london and alot of days in my hometown southend. Police breech my privacy all day everyday there not heroes there just **** bags with miniscule amount of power and abuse it as would alot of humans given a bit of power. Some think there helping the community and i can clearly see are not bad people but they dont realise what there supporting is not a solution its just a cycle.

Thats what the police systems about which is why guys like you who support it from all angles, n have the nerve to call guys pathetic who DO giva **** about there freedoms n human rights seriously have no worthyness of being called a free spirited human.

I myself will never have my rights breeched and you and police officers will know where they stand with me. I would die for my human rights gladly because without them lifes not worth living anyhow unless your happy being a slave personally not me.

in a few years time as the police state gets more n more, you will see why it was a bad idea, n people like me will be way gone out of this country to leave you to pick up the pieces. Alot of police are freemasons they care not for you and i know guys who are in the police aged over 30 and they verify this for me all the time.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

well i can say id cards wont change my life, cos this old timer wont be having one big scottish brother can shove it where the sun dont shine

agreed, even my old man said there taking the **** n hes not having one.

I love how the youngers these days seem to think authority has a right to tell you how to live your life.

Guys have forgotten who they are.

THESHAOLIN while you are entitled to your opinion so is everyone else so maybe bear that in mind for a more pleasant forum experience. As for the information that an ID card would hold 95% of it is already out there anyway and if as you say you run a business well more of your info is out there already. An ID card is not an automatic step towards implanting RFID chips as some have suggested and in a way i feel sorry for this and any other government as people want security they say they want control over immigration but a national ID card oh my god no my privacy it's stupid you want something you have to give a little.

[shawty]

Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

As for the other questions im about to go out so ive not got time to reply but if you seriously think police stop u n it takes 5 minutes your delirious, ive been stopped hundreds of time i spend alot of days in east london and alot of days in my hometown southend. Police breech my privacy all day everyday there not heroes there just **** bags with miniscule amount of power and abuse it as would alot of humans given a bit of power. Some think there helping the community and i can clearly see are not bad people but they dont realise what there supporting is not a solution its just a cycle.

Thats what the police systems about which is why guys like you who support it from all angles, n have the nerve to call guys pathetic who DO giva **** about there freedoms n human rights seriously have no worthyness of being called a free spirited human.

I myself will never have my rights breeched and you and police officers will know where they stand with me. I would die for my human rights gladly because without them lifes not worth living anyhow unless your happy being a slave personally not me.

in a few years time as the police state gets more n more, you will see why it was a bad idea, n people like me will be way gone out of this country to leave you to pick up the pieces. Alot of police are freemasons they care not for you and i know guys who are in the police aged over 30 and they verify this for me all the time.

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agreed, even my old man said there taking the **** n hes not having one.

I love how the youngers these days seem to think authority has a right to tell you how to live your life.

Guys have forgotten who they are.

Why dont you stop and think for a second. What privacy are you losing out on?

Do nothing wrong, they dont care what you do or who you are. Hence your free to do whatever you want. It seems people ahve to moan just to moan these days, without even thinking about it. Get in a stress over it if you want, nothings going to change in my life and the way I live it wether we have CCTV or ID cards. People who think this country is like big brother are delusional to me. We have gathered the government dont care where you shop or what car you drive.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

<snip>ive been stopped hundreds of times<snip>

Erm, at risk of appearing rude, but if you've been stopped 'hundreds of times', it rather suggests that you've been doing something that you shouldn't have been. I actually can't think of a better argument in support of ID cards...

[BBKing]

<snip>ive been stopped hundreds of times<snip>

I didn't know they'd brought in an offence of being boring in a built up area during the hours of daylight.