Don't treat the old and unhealthy, say doctors - Page 4

dilli-theclaw · 04-02-2008, 16:18

You come and live with me, I'll look after you

Jules · 04-02-2008, 16:27

Ohhh I am feeling better already

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**Maggy** · 04-02-2008, 16:42

If a policy of non treatment for 'self inflicted' cri.....errr afflictions is to become de rigeur then I hope the assistance to those who need to overcome addiction,weight problems etc will be a part of the NHS and not the damned ad hoc arrangement we have already where it's purely a post code lottery as to whether you get any help to give up your particular vice.When you consider the money gained through tax on tobacco and alcohol what is spent in prevention measures(education) and recovery from addiction it is minute in comparison.

04-02-2008, 17:07

Smoking is not healthy we all know that, drinking is not healthy we all know that but we all also know this government is happy to take vast amounts of taxes from both those pasttimes without a thought. This whole self inflicted thing can be bent anyway you want.

How about this a man comes into A&E with a broken leg from a sports activity is that not in some way a self inflicted injury i mean he didn't have to play sport. Or a car driver in a crash i mean we all know cars are dangerous and he did choose to drive his car.

That is a road no sane person should ever want to go down because it could fast become a damn long road affecting many no one thought would be affected. Free care at point of delivery is what the NHS is all about, as for these doctors worrying about budgets i will bear that in mind the next time they are negotiating their contracts as financial constraint doesn't seem to apply then.

TheNorm · 04-02-2008, 17:12

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

.... Free care at point of delivery is what the NHS is all about, ....

Ask anyone who works in A&E about the number of drink-related casualties they see on a Friday/Saturday night. If someone can pay Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£50 to get legless why can't they also pay Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£50 towards the cost of their emergency treatment?

04-02-2008, 19:01

What if the person admitted and injured was an innocent bystander that got caught up in something they didn't start is it still ok to charge them and judge them ???. Just because someone is drunk doesn't automatically mean they deserved an injury or started something to get injured. As i have said this is an extremely dodgy road to go down and if we start i gaurantee the circumstances will expand to include activites and people that no one thought of at the start of it.

**Maggy** · 04-02-2008, 19:58

Besides which it is not a doctor's vocation to refuse to treat ANYONE who is injured or ill no matter how the injury or illness occurred.It becomes the thin end of the wedge if that starts to happen because where does the line get drawn and does it stay there.We could end up going down the road of only the rich can afford to be treated.

The one thing that made the NHS so special was the fact that it was free to all regardless of status,wealth,age and infirmity.Bit by bit it's being chipped away at.In my opinion there is plenty of money in the NHS but it's all being wasted and mismanaged by a few who shouldn't be charge of a bed pan let alone a budget.

TheNorm · 05-02-2008, 10:01

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

Besides which it is not a doctor's vocation to refuse to treat ANYONE who is injured or ill no matter how the injury or illness occurred....

I suppose it depends how you define "injured":

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Some inappropriate 999 calls

One lady "wanted a hug"
One caller lost a remote control
One woman broke a fingernail
A request for help to charge an pre-pay electric meter

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/3443107.stm

shabbychic · 05-02-2008, 10:14

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

I suppose it depends how you define "injured":

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/3443107.stm

05-02-2008, 10:30

So if someone is mentally ill and slashes their wrists they shouldn't be treated ?. This is one of those things where the fully fit and able bodied will agree with this now but will change their mind later when it affects them.

superbiatch · 05-02-2008, 10:34

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Originally Posted by shabbychic

Its amazing how many idiots are out there to waste our time shabbychic, although i don't know one single person who'd admit to it - so does that show they are aware what they're doing is wrong

Anyway, I do hope these idiots are being charged for wasting the time of the ambulance staff concerned.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

So if someone is mentally ill and slashes their wrists they shouldn't be treated ?. This is one of those things where the fully fit and able bodied will agree with this now but will change their mind later when it affects them.

I know that would never be the case in our PCT, but we do have a mental capacity policy which would cover incidents like this anyway.

I seriously can't see how we can choose to treat some, but not others. Who gave the NHS the position of God anyway??

shabbychic · 05-02-2008, 10:38

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Originally Posted by superbiatch

Its amazing how many idiots are out there to waste our time shabbychic, although i don't know one single person who'd admit to it - so does that show they are aware what they're doing is wrong

Anyway, I do hope these idiots are being charged for wasting the time of the ambulance staff concerned.

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I know that would never be the case in our PCT, but we do have a mental capacity policy which would cover incidents like this anyway.

I seriously can't see how we can choose to treat some, but not others. Who gave the NHS the position of God anyway??

ive got over my shock now....but unbeleivable eh

what on earth are these people thinking

i want a hug? ive broken a nail?.... are they for real ?

im just lost for words to be honest, and if they geniuinly think that is a valid reason to call an emergency service, then i think they really do need treatment

but of a different kind.

btw, wereabouts in liverpool you from? ... i was born in halewood

... i miss it too

superbiatch · 05-02-2008, 10:46

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Originally Posted by shabbychic

btw, wereabouts in liverpool you from? ... i was born in halewood

... i miss it too

PM sent to keep thread on track

05-02-2008, 14:10

Anyone thats wastes emergency services time with stupid 999 calls should in my opinion be prosecuted. I don't see how idiots misusing the 999 system is an argument for doctors refusing treatment though but i am getting old so maybe i missed something.

Jules · 05-02-2008, 14:49

I guess I am not the only one that watches programs with the ambulance service in and shake my head in despair at some of the people that call for ambulances, why the hell don't they go to there GP or get a taxi to the hospital???