Traffic Shaping (again)

[dev]

Originally Posted by RXP

Traffic shaping could also be an excuse for ISP's to oversubscribe their network without making upgrades, thus increasing profit margins.

i think you'll find practically all isp's oversubscribe, thats the whole point of contention ratios

[bywater]

I'm in Coventry NW 263Kbs Down 367Kbs Up. **** Poor for download upload spot on.

Originally Posted by RXP

I agree, I said that NH's routing is at fault earlier. But the fact is NH found out something about NTL that we didn't know what was going on. So they're not shaping NNTP but something is going on with all these slow speeds.

Do you get full giganews speed at prime time?

Yes i can but dont do big downloads at peak times.

They can shape ssl if they want.

[RXP]

Yah I'm aware of that and how high will those ratios go as a result of traffic shaping? They'll think they can get away with higher ratios. Which is what has happened in E17. They 'upgraded' recently because of too many users (per CS) and it's worse than it was before

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Bill C

Yes i can but dont do big downloads at peak times.

They can shape ssl if they want.

They can shape *any* protocol, whether encrypted or not. They don't need to see the data, just to recognise it's encrypted.

[RXP]

Yah but it's about practicality, they can shape freakin HTTP if they want but they're not gonna. It'd be using a knife when you need a scalpel. That's why I'm looking forward to webbased usenet accesses too

Originally Posted by RXP

Yah but it's about practicality, they can shape freakin HTTP if they want but they're not gonna. It'd be using a knife when you need a scalpel. That's why I'm looking forward to webbased usenet accesses too

This is what i can get at the moment. Ran a download for a short while to show the speed. I have my son streaming music at the moment as well.

[RXP]

Originally Posted by Bill C

This is what i can get at the moment. Ran a download for a short while to show the speed. I have my son streaming music at the moment as well.

Nice. Right now off giganews' europe server I only get 2000kbps. But that's actually faster than normal. Usually it's half.

Edit: also might be worth blanking out what you are downloading :-p

[brundles]

Originally Posted by RXP

Yah but it's about practicality, they can shape freakin HTTP if they want but they're not gonna. It'd be using a knife when you need a scalpel. That's why I'm looking forward to webbased usenet accesses too

They can still shape based on the destination.

I agree with your earlier comment on ISPs traffic shaping rather than actually implementing their network properly but at the end of the day, any attempt to circumvent the intention of the traffic shaping is going to be caught up with and make things worse for other services.

Originally Posted by RXP

Edit: also might be worth blanking out what you are downloading :-p

its ubuntu linux

[RXP]

Why of course!

Originally Posted by RXP

Why of course!

http://www.ubuntu.com/

[RXP]

Haha it actually is. Thought it might be something else disguised.

Originally Posted by RXP

Haha it actually is. Thought it might be something else disguised.

I dont hide the fact i download other things as well. I have 2 tv eps set for later.

[RXP]

some more info, from another thread confirming the newshosting side of things:

Johnr: I believe that your isp, NTL, has been having serious network issues lately. We have had a number of speed complaints from NTL customers over the last week, and literally none from any other ISP. I have checked with another news service provider (newshosting) and they are also seeing speed complaints from ntl customers. Our engineering staff took a look at several ip blocks in NTL's network, and it appears that NTL is moving high traffic customers to a certain ip block within their network. This has the effect of severely limiting bandwith for those customers. I would recommend contacting NTL about this issue.