Relationships and religion - Page 4

kronas · 26-11-2003, 01:09

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

I had to laugh when I went shopping a couple of days ago.
Two women were behind the desk, one mentioned she'd not had alcohol for nearly a month, her friend asked why, and she replied "ramadam"

So she'll drink the rest of the time...

you cannot be a true muslim if you drink alchol its forbidden its her choice

Florence · 26-11-2003, 01:39

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Originally Posted by kronas

you cannot be a true muslim if you drink alchol its forbidden its her choice

They follow their strict religion rules in their own country as the penalty for not is death. Here they say they are following their religion but still drink.

kronas · 26-11-2003, 01:41

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Originally Posted by Kitty

They follow their strict religion rules in their own country as the penalty for not is death. Here they say they are following their religion but still drink.

no not everyone..... i have been to clubs and pubs and i have seen few black(muslim) people who drink yes there are a few that do

as for the death penalty its dependant on the culture/country

Xaccers · 26-11-2003, 01:59

I just felt it was interesting that she would go to the effort of ramadam but has no problem drinking the rest of the time.

One of the major advantages of Islam from a religion point of view is that there isn't an organisation like the church.

Yes, you have Imams but they are not all powerful, Islam seems to me to be more personal, a direct link between the follower and Allah, there is no need for a middleman.
Consiquently, you don't have people popping up trying to organise everyone to follow it in the same way as they do, so the religion doesn't fracture like christianity has.
The down side of this is the religious culture is stronger and therefore has more importance in day to day living, it's still a way of life rather than a one day only religion, and as such restricts development into areas where christianity (being one of those one day a week religions to the general populace) hasn't.

kronas · 26-11-2003, 02:04

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

I just felt it was interesting that she would go to the effort of ramadam but has no problem drinking the rest of the time.

some are not 'in to it' as much......

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

One of the major advantages of Islam from a religion point of view is that there isn't an organisation like the church.

i would say thats right

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Yes, you have Imams but they are not all powerful, Islam seems to me to be more personal, a direct link between the follower and Allah, there is no need for a middleman.
Consiquently, you don't have people popping up trying to organise everyone to follow it in the same way as they do, so the religion doesn't fracture like christianity has.
The down side of this is the religious culture is stronger and therefore has more importance in day to day living, it's still a way of life rather than a one day only religion, and as such restricts development into areas where christianity (being one of those one day a week religions to the general populace) hasn't.

it still does not stop the ignorance and opression i have witnessed by muslims

i think ill stop there before i go off on one

Xaccers · 26-11-2003, 02:26

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Originally Posted by kronas

it still does not stop the ignorance and opression i have witnessed by muslims

i think ill stop there before i go off on one

That's what I mean, with the splintering of christianity, you have lots of groups despirate to keep followers, so will bend and flex and move with the times.
With a religion such as Islam, you have Islam and that's it (ok there's a couple of varients but not the hundreds christianity has), you don't have a church leader worrying that if he doesn't have any followers for his take on their religion he'll not get the prize at the end.
The down side of that as you say, is you get ignorance and opression, the religion doesn't move with the times.
As I said, it's more a way of life than a one day a week religion, and that's fine if there's no reason to live any other way, but in today's world there are other ways to live, and if the religion doesn't change, you get a conflict with how the people want to live and how the religion tells them to live

Escapee · 26-11-2003, 07:44

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Originally Posted by Escapee

Hi all,

I just wondered what opinions you guys/gals have on relaionships involving two people that have different views when it comes to religion?

Does anyone think a relationship will work involving one party who is a regular church attendee and the other party who last went to church when forced to by the school for the harvest festival around 25 years ago!

Will it work ?

Now the thread has been brought to light again, I just wanted to tell the religious people that said it would not work that they were wrong.

In fact things are flourishing.

Xaccers · 26-11-2003, 07:48

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Originally Posted by Escapee

Now the thread has been brought to light again, I just wanted to tell the religious people that said it would not work that they were wrong.

In fact things are flourishing.

Fantastic

How do you two deal with the religion topic?
Is it discussed or something kept to each other?

Russ · 26-11-2003, 07:50

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Originally Posted by kronas

ofcourse i made my feelings perfectly clear you DO NOT talk to me about religion people on this forum know what i think about religion

religious people dont have one thing thats tolerance to be able to tolerate a differing view..... a relationship can work but a 'love relationship' needs to be strong and have a mutual respect for each others view on religion

I'm sorry Kronas but I'm not letting you get away with that.

You tell us not to talk about religion to you when it is you who often start threads about aspects of religion that you disagree about (one example out of many is the one about Bush and his beliefs). Double standards, hypocrisy, all the things us Christians are supposed to display? I'm sorry Kronas but that's you in this case.

And we "don't tolerate a different view". Oh really, so I assume that's aimed at myself, Towny, Bexy, Salu and other Christians on this board? You know, those who constantly tolerate attacks from certain (not all I hasten to add) people who are full of opinions but little or no knowledge of the Bible, prefering to listen to what "that bloke down the pub" says is written in it?

Seems like sweeping statements and generalisations are okay as long as they're aimed at us "Bible-bashers"

Escapee · 26-11-2003, 08:12

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Fantastic

How do you two deal with the religion topic?
Is it discussed or something kept to each other?

We dont really tend to discuss it that much, If I say something about religion ie: quote something that I know from the bible she quotes something from the bible that says exactly the opposite.

She has been missing Church a lot recently because some of the people in he church would dissaprove of her being involved with someone who is non religious.

Jon M · 26-11-2003, 08:38

As has been hinted at elsewhere, the problem seems to be that people treat a "christian" viewpoint as personal opinion.

Although it's a viewpoint or belief system that is subscribed to by individuals, it is NOT purely a "difference of opinion".

The bible is the problem, not the person.

If you want your questions about christianity (not religion) answered.. you can get an idea from christians themselves.. but the ultimate source of information is the bible itself.

Back on topic:

You will find that the biblical viewpoint on relationships (marriage and pre-marital) is that a christian should definately not go out or be intimately involved with a non-christian, simple as that.

Yes, there are some sections in the bible that are open to interpretation, BUT, they are always consistent with the fundamental teachings (doctrines).

If there is inconsistency in your own thinking (as a christian) then you have to examine yourself to work out why you are reaching the wrong conclusions.. because the infallibility of the bible once denied will lead you away from biblical understanding and into self-centered belief systems.

The biblical world is one of black and white.. christian and non-christian, for God and against God.

If anyone wants some direct biblical quotes I can give them.. but I thought I'd just throw this up for discussion.

Escapee · 26-11-2003, 12:54

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Originally Posted by s1lv3r

The biblical world is one of black and white.. christian and non-christian, for God and against God.

If anyone wants some direct biblical quotes I can give them.. but I thought I'd just throw this up for discussion.

I disagree with the black and white statement

There are believers, non-believers and devil worshippers, are the believers suggesting that I am classed the same as a a devil worshipper just because I have different views? What a narrow minded attitude if that's the case.

Jon M · 26-11-2003, 12:59

like I said.. don't take my word for it.. read the book.. and decide for yourself

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Originally Posted by Escapee

I disagree with the black and white statement

i hope you're not trying to imply some kind of racist spin there... the term i used is a common one and is used in relation to how you look at any issue.. is it "black and white" or shades of grey.

Escapee · 26-11-2003, 13:03

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Originally Posted by s1lv3r

like I said.. don't take my word for it.. read the book.. and decide for yourself

I wasn't having a go at you at all, but reading the book will not help me to understand what believers really feel about someone like myself who does not believe.

I am happy for them to worship/believe in father christmas and would not persecute them for such a thing, but I wonder how they feel about me?

Jon M · 26-11-2003, 13:12

father christmas? no idea what thats about.. anyway,

What we (christians) think about you is irrelevant surely? ..

If there is a God who is all powerful, all knowing, created you and is owed your obedience.. His opinion of you would carry more weight wouldn't it?