Euthanasia? - Page 4

paulyoung666 · 27-07-2004, 18:32

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

If the person wanted to die, it wouldn't be called euthanasia, would it? It is assisted suicide. We're talking about people that volunteer to go and murder people they think, in their opinion, is suffering and should better be left dead than alive.

so ............. a person is in a permanent vegative state , and ........ , the medical community is of the opinion that they will never recover , that person should be allowed to potentially suffer for the rest of its natural life , sorry but no way

kronas · 27-07-2004, 18:35

*dives back in

sorry paul but killing someone is murder, even if it is their wish, if it was allowed then all sorts of ramifications would ensue, how would you know that person WANTED to be killed on their own free will ?

Jerrek · 27-07-2004, 18:37

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Originally Posted by paulyoung666

so ............. a person is in a permanent vegative state , and ........ , the medical community is of the opinion that they will never recover , that person should be allowed to potentially suffer for the rest of its natural life , sorry but no way

Kiddo, there is a difference between letting someone die naturally, as in your case, and keeping them hooked up to machines that will keep him alive for the next 2,000 years.

There is nothing wrong with unplugging the person, making sure he is without pain, and letting death set in naturally.

27-07-2004, 18:41

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Originally Posted by kronas

*dives back in

sorry paul but killing someone is murder, even if it is their wish, if it was allowed then all sorts of ramifications would ensue, how would you know that person WANTED to be killed on their own free will ?

Its called talking to you're family, and making a Living Will.

Having disgussed this subject with my own family, they are in no doubt as to what I want.

If I an in a PVS, or for whatever the reason, no longer have any real standard of life. Then switch me off, and see what can be used to help others.

If a loved one left me the same instruction, then you can rest assured that I will carry out that request. Love of family is'nt just about keeping people safe, it is sometimes also about letting go.

paulyoung666 · 27-07-2004, 18:42

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

Kiddo, there is a difference between letting someone die naturally, as in your case, and keeping them hooked up to machines that will keep him alive for the next 2,000 years.

There is nothing wrong with unplugging the person, making sure he is without pain, and letting death set in naturally.

but if that person can survive without medical intervention is it right to be left in that state

Jerrek · 27-07-2004, 18:44

You know, turning the machines off and withdrawing all medication (except painkillers) isn't euthanasia. That is just natural death. We're talking people taking a needle and murdering the person they feel doesn't want to live anymore.

Jerrek · 27-07-2004, 18:44

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Originally Posted by paulyoung666

but if that person can survive without medical intervention is it right to be left in that state

If he can survive without medical intervention, he isn't in a vegetable state like you mentioned.

paulyoung666 · 27-07-2004, 18:46

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

If he can survive without medical intervention, he isn't in a vegetable state like you mentioned.

ok so i lose and you win

i think i will jump out of this thread for a while , as i am pretty close to being the afore mentioned guilty party i dont want to risk the wrath of the mods

**Mick** · 27-07-2004, 18:47

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Originally Posted by kronas

*dives back in

sorry paul but killing someone is murder, even if it is their wish, if it was allowed then all sorts of ramifications would ensue, how would you know that person WANTED to be killed on their own free will ?

I agree with Russ that it should be stopped short of it being called Murder. In the eyes of the law yes its murder. But Murder is a cold description and I would be certain that there was nothing cold about ending the suffering of their already lifeless son.

27-07-2004, 18:50

Euthanasia is nothing with Murder, Murder is when the person is killed without them wanting to die. Like Mick said, it's a VERY cold description.

Jerrek · 27-07-2004, 18:52

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Originally Posted by Electrolyte

Euthanasia is nothing with Murder, Murder is when the person is killed without them wanting to die. Like Mick said, it's a VERY cold description.

And you can say for sure that the person you're about to kill wants to die, right? Because ... how would you come about such information?

If he told you to kill him, it isn't euthanasia... So either you have some sort of ESP, or you're just a murderer.

27-07-2004, 18:55

How does that mean I'm a murderer?

**Mick** · 27-07-2004, 18:58

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

And you can say for sure that the person you're about to kill wants to die, right? Because ... how would you come about such information?

If he told you to kill him, it isn't euthanasia... So either you have some sort of ESP, or you're just a murderer.

Jerrek do you know anything about being in despair? Do you really think this couple wanted to end the life of their son in such a way that you describe? You make sound like it has been a chilling murder, far far far from it.

**Maggy** · 27-07-2004, 19:01

My thoughts go out to all those who struggle to come to terms with the increasing ill health of any one suffering a degenerative and terminal disease

paulyoung666 · 27-07-2004, 19:05

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

My thoughts go out to all those who struggle to come to terms with the increasing ill health of any one suffering a degenerative and terminal disease

thankyou --- paul