02-01-2015, 14:06
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Remoaner
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Re: Unstoppable migration?
There would be any number of problems from just closing the borders. Many global companies require the ability for workers to migrate, even if it's just for short contracts, or to recruit uniquely skilled workers for certain jobs. Just as an example we'll be building some nuclear power plants soon and I imagine we don't have all the requisite talents within the UK or newly expanded foreign companies trying to set up here who need to send some of their staff. These will all need work permits at the very least. Then you have issues with people that have foreign partners and what would happen to our own expats should we decide that no more foreigners are allowed in here. We would end up being an isolated island unwilling to recruit, marry or learn from the majority of people in the world who aren't British.
Closing the borders probably would help but in the same way amputating a leg would get rid of your athlete's foot.
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02-01-2015, 14:13
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Re: Unstoppable migration?
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Originally Posted by Stop It
You two are truly amazing human beings.
Not a thought about the human cost to these people, the enormous risks they have took just to get to these boats without knowing if they'll even get off alive, what they are escaping from and what they may have suffered prior.
No, just selfish rants about how people are economic migrants who must be abusing the system and do not deserve anything other than to be sent home.
Most of these people came from Syria, a country where nearly 75 thousand people died last year. Trying to de-humanise them or score political points wont make a damned difference. You want the flow of migrants to stop? Closing our borders and shouting la-la-la wont help.
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You really need to read what I've written on this subject many times before making such a ridiculous statement. I've NEVER stated that all migrants are abusing the system or that all asylum seekers are bogus. Neither have I suggested closing our borders so there's another flaw in your rhetoric. I'm simply pointing out an unpleasant reality and that is that the world is full of deserving and desperate people and until we can do something about that fact this problem will not only never cease, it will grow and more people will take their chances at the hands of traffickers who a) have no thought for their welfare and b) are hardly likely to be telling their paying customers the truth about the risks they are taking. We're doing precious little to stop the causes of the flow of migrants, in fact in some cases we're contributing to the reasons for it. This thread posed a question and you appear to be as long on personal attacks as you are short on ideas for dealing with the problem.
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02-01-2015, 14:15
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Re: Unstoppable migration?
Examples of these highly skilled people that are being brought in.
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A newsagent and off-licence created a post of full-time HR manager… for its three staff
Fast-food shops recruited press and PR managers
A high street kebab shop employed a ‘sales and business development manager’
A newsagent claimed it needed a £30,000 per annum sales manager
Petrol stations sought full-time business development managers
A fishmonger advertised for a second general manager’s post for its total staff of six
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At least 30 per cent of Tier One migrants were later found to work in low-skilled roles such as stacking shelves, driving taxis or working as security guards. Others did not have a job at all.
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02-01-2015, 14:22
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Re: Unstoppable migration?
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Originally Posted by Damien
There would be any number of problems from just closing the borders. Many global companies require the ability for workers to migrate, even if it's just for short contracts, or to recruit uniquely skilled workers for certain jobs. Just as an example we'll be building some nuclear power plants soon and I imagine we don't have all the requisite talents within the UK or newly expanded foreign companies trying to set up here who need to send some of their staff. These will all need work permits at the very least. Then you have issues with people that have foreign partners and what would happen to our own expats should we decide that no more foreigners are allowed in here. We would end up being an isolated island unwilling to recruit, marry or learn from the majority of people in the world who aren't British.
Closing the borders probably would help but in the same way amputating a leg would get rid of your athlete's foot.
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Closing no, controlling YES. At the moment we have no control over our borders and i think its about time we got that back. Simples
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Originally Posted by Stop It
You two are truly amazing human beings.
Not a thought about the human cost to these people, the enormous risks they have took just to get to these boats without knowing if they'll even get off alive, what they are escaping from and what they may have suffered prior.
No, just selfish rants about how people are economic migrants who must be abusing the system and do not deserve anything other than to be sent home.
Most of these people came from Syria, a country where nearly 75 thousand people died last year. Trying to de-humanise them or score political points wont make a damned difference. You want the flow of migrants to stop? Closing our borders and shouting la-la-la wont help.
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So when did i say CLOSE the borders. Oh wait i didn't YOU did.
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02-01-2015, 18:14
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Re: Unstoppable migration?
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02-01-2015, 19:02
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Re: Unstoppable migration?
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry
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For clarity over the above quote which would have been better to post in full instead of just a link.
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Close the doors to the uk and put up a sign WE ARE FULL go away
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I said close the doors not the borders, We should not close the borders they need to be open so that if we can have controlled immigration. However the EU have seen fit to remove that ability from us.
There i am happy to clarify the point for you.
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02-01-2015, 20:07
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02-01-2015, 20:24
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Re: Unstoppable migration?
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Originally Posted by Osem
I'm simply pointing out an unpleasant reality and that is that the world is full of deserving and desperate people and until we can do something about that fact this problem will not only never cease, it will grow and more people will take their chances at the hands of traffickers .
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I think that's quite correct ,unfortunately it puts us in somewhat of a quandry because many of the same people shouting for our borders to be shut also shout very loudly for us to stop or at least severely cut overseas aid and leave those countries to sort themselves out
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02-01-2015, 21:17
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Re: Unstoppable migration?
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And here's another.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30653742
Seems like the back door to Europe is well and truly open. It's ironic that whilst we're being extraordinarily careful about admitting some people into Europe, just about anyone can get on a boat and be towed here.
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Silly question but why are they towing them to Italy, why not tow them back to Sierra Leone
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02-01-2015, 21:20
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Re: Unstoppable migration?
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry
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I have made myself clear in my last post, if you want to keep digging at it that's fine you go ahead and have your satisfaction see if i care.
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02-01-2015, 21:21
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Re: Unstoppable migration?
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Silly question but why are they towing them to Italy, why not tow them back to Sierra Leone
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Because Sierra Leone is about 4000 Nautical Miles away, and on the other side of Africa?
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02-01-2015, 21:22
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Re: Unstoppable migration?
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Silly question but why are they towing them to Italy, why not tow them back to Sierra Leone
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They can get a bus or train to France far easier from Italy
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02-01-2015, 22:26
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Remoaner
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Re: Unstoppable migration?
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Originally Posted by Sirius
They can get a bus or train to France far easier from Italy
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Yes but I don't think they hired the tow. I think Hugh is probably closer to the mark.
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02-01-2015, 22:42
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Re: Unstoppable migration?
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Because Sierra Leone is about 4000 Nautical Miles away, and on the other side of Africa?
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02-01-2015, 22:54
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Re: Unstoppable migration?
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Yes but I don't think they hired the tow. I think Hugh is probably closer to the mark.
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Its not beyond the realms of possibility that the traffickers knew that if they could get the ship close to Italy it would be towed there when discovered. The traffickers are however only worried about the money they made when they were paid by those on the ship.
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