Coronavirus (OLD)

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Carth

All that says to me, is that someone who tested negative yesterday, could be spreading the disease tomorrow blissfully unaware they would now test positive.

Waste of time, money, effort

Plus as I pointed out some time ago, you could be exposed to the virus just minutes after the test.
Still better than not doing the tests. The positive results do matter. As long as a negative result isn't seen as a free pass to do whatever you like.

Originally Posted by Paul

or wear your own and not keep worrying about other people.

Wearing your own mask reduces the likelihood of you (if you have it) infecting others - others not wearing a mask increases the likelihood (if they have COVID-19) of them infecting others.

[Carth]

Let's get something sorted here . . .

You should only go for a test if you display symptoms . . . right?

We know that a person with COVID-19 may be contagious 48 to 72 hours before starting to experience symptoms. Emerging research suggests that people may actually be most likely to spread the virus to others during the 48 hours before they start to experience symptoms.

Now according to that quote above - from medical experts no less - by the time you go for a test you could have been spreading it around for a couple of days . . right?

Therefore everybody who tests positive should give detailed information about everywhere they've been, and everyone they've had contact with for the last 3 days . . do they? . . can they?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

Let's get something sorted here . . .

You should only go for a test if you display symptoms . . . right?



Now according to that quote above - from medical experts no less - by the time you go for a test you could have been spreading it around for a couple of days . . right?

Therefore everybody who tests positive should give detailed information about everywhere they've been, and everyone they've had contact with for the last 3 days . . do they? . . can they?

I think in countries with the app like Northern Ireland then that happens automatically. If not, and perhaps even in countries with the app as not everyone has a smart phone, presumably you have to provide it to the track and trace teams who will do their business.

[Pierre]

Chief scientific advisors are now starting to lose their credibility, which is very dangerous


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...gures-12078232

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Chief scientific advisors are now starting to lose their credibility, which is very dangerous


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...gures-12078232

Another day, another straw.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Haha. And most of the world had to lock down at some point or other to achieve that - which I'm sure you'll agree means the last 7 months aren't comparable with the situation Old Boy describes.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=4687

Stumbled across an old post of yours earlier. Hasn't aged very well has it, seeing as we are now in the second wave?

Explain Sweden, then.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Explain Sweden, then.

Explain what? 50% of people working from home?

That’s not going to save Pret, Old Boy. Or parasitic property developers’ rental incomes.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

I say we hibernate from winter, let Covid pass over and come back out in Spring.

Such is the banality of your ideas on how to fight this virus. That is never going to happen, nor will it work without a vaccine.

I know we have been told that one will be available by the end of this year to the lucky few, but that's a hope rather than a certainty at this stage.

We agree on only one thing, jfman. If we get a vaccine, then we have a solution. Your lockdown answer delays, it does not get rid of it.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Such is the banality of your ideas on how to fight this virus. That is never going to happen, nor will it work without a vaccine.

I know we have been told that one will be available by the end of this year to the lucky few, but that's a hope rather than a certainty at this stage.

We agree on only one thing, jfman. If we get a vaccine, then we have a solution. Your lockdown answer delays, it does not get rid of it.

Old Boy if you are digging up my sarcastic posts from a couple of days ago to land a single shot it’s only showing your increasing desperation.

Delays save lives, Old Boy. The demand side of the economy.

We aren’t Sweden, cultural differences, I’d just accept the inevitable from here on in.

Interestingly while you are here - as a Sweden advocate - would you support the 40% of the UK workforce who can work from home continuing to do so - in line with the Swedish recommendations on making living with the virus sustainable?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Chief scientific advisors are now starting to lose their credibility, which is very dangerous


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...gures-12078232

As they say in the newsroom Gotcha,caught out over egging the pudding again,so they can round up the sheeple.

Piers Morgan on the case https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv...-covid19-video

Speaking on ITV's Good Morning Britain, Mr Morgan said: "This is why they didn't answer questions.

"I'm trying to expose the farce of what happened yesterday.

"Hilary, your inability to answer that simple question is why they didn't take questions because the first question would have been, 'if it's not a prediction then what is it?'"

Seems like scifi rather than science
during yesterdays farce i half expected General chuck chuckerson to jump up and suggest nuking the poles to sort the word out.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Another day, another straw.

before you know it, there'll be a whole stack

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Originally Posted by jfman

Interestingly while you are here - as a Sweden advocate - would you support the 40% of the UK workforce who can work from home continuing to do so - in line with the Swedish recommendations on making living with the virus sustainable?

I think those that can and want to work from home should be allowed too, regardless of the pandemic or not

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

As they say in the newsroom Gotcha,caught out over egging the pudding again,so they can round up the sheeple.

Piers Morgan on the case https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv...-covid19-video

Speaking on ITV's Good Morning Britain, Mr Morgan said: "This is why they didn't answer questions.

"I'm trying to expose the farce of what happened yesterday.

"Hilary, your inability to answer that simple question is why they didn't take questions because the first question would have been, 'if it's not a prediction then what is it?'"

Seems like scifi rather than science
during yesterdays farce i half expected General chuck chuckerson to jump up and suggest nuking the poles to sort the word out.

I was, still am, a supporter of Boris but I'm afraid the handling of this is now trying my patience.

I understand they're trying to dance down a line of keeping infections low and keeping the economy limping along, but there are too many contradictions and not enough evidence to back up their actions.

They need to start from scratch with new holistic and encompassing strategy and ditch this piecemeal approach, and also treat the public with a bit of respect instead of trying frighten them with wild scenarios.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Chief scientific advisors are now starting to lose their credibility, which is very dangerous


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...gures-12078232

I agree that the projections were somewhat simplistic as they are based on us doing nothing different from what were are doing now.

In the article you posted, it showed that France and Spain had an initial exponential growth that then went linear. However, both France and Spain reacted to the exponential growth and put measures in place to slow the spread.

There is an interesting discussion to be had around how much the public will react vs. how much governments need to enforce measures and how much this reflects society in different countries. For example, in Sweden, there is a strong social contract between the public and the government so, in many cases, their COVID responses were pretty much voluntary and not enforced. Many far east countries are the same with mask wearing for example. Compare that with the US public response

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I was, still am, a supporter of Boris but I'm afraid the handling of this is now trying my patience.

I understand they're trying to dance down a line of keeping infections low and keeping the economy limping along, but there are too many contradictions and not enough evidence to back up their actions.

They need to start from scratch with new holistic and encompassing strategy and ditch this piecemeal approach, and also treat the public with a bit of respect instead of trying frighten them with wild scenarios.

The government desperately needs to get the three Ts right - testing, tracking and tracing.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The government desperately needs to get the three Ts right - testing, tracking and tracing.

Or Tell The Truth