Football Season 2011/12 - Page 392

**Damien** · 18-05-2012, 11:36

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

wages are a problem but no one forces clubs to sign players or keep them on new ridiculous contracts, the man cities, Chelsea's and Madrid's of this world can't sign every one and as so many have found rvp included if he goes, the grass isn't always greener no matter how much cash on offer and that'll be one of the last times you'll be able to cash in so well on a player in the last year of his deal if it goes through. Although interestingly third party ownership is allowed under ffp but the main reason it'll fail is 'coz arsene said it will and as already established you're duty bound to fall into line and agree

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/kfqleyqleyoj/rss2/

Well I didn't say it would work. I said I hope it does.

. We'll have to see. I think it's stronger than everybody thinks but Manchester City have indicated they will test it. UEFA seem determined to push ahead and close loopholes the emerge.

Wages are a problem and no one forces people to offer such wages other than market forces. This is clearly happening with the continued rapid escalation of wages in the Premier League and beyond.

To be honest if FFP fails then we will start to make big steps towards a European Super League and a franchise system where people spend what they like and there is no relegation. This is the end game and one UEFA are trying to avoid as it kills their cash cow.

TheDaddy · 18-05-2012, 11:43

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Originally Posted by Russ

Rogers has turned down Liverpool - the better half of South Wales breathes a collective sigh of relief.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/201...l&type=article

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Originally Posted by Damien

Well I didn't say it would work. I said I hope it does.

. We'll have to see. I think it's stronger than everybody thinks but Manchester City have indicated they will test it. UEFA seem determined to push ahead and close loopholes the emerge.

Wages are a problem and no one forces people to offer such wages other than market forces. This is clearly happening with the continued rapid escalation of wages in the Premier League and beyond.

To be honest if FFP fails then we will start to make big steps towards a European Super League and a franchise system where people spend what they like and there is no relegation. This is the end game and one UEFA are trying to avoid as it kills their cash cow.

That's what'll kill football, relegation is more exciting than the top half most years and franchising is just crazy, hope they do it in a way, I preferred the old days tbh and hanker for their return.

**Damien** · 18-05-2012, 11:52

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

That's what'll kill football, relegation is more exciting than the top half most years and franchising is just crazy, hope they do it in a way, I preferred the old days tbh and hanker for their return.

For it to be avoided however something needs to be done about the growing indifference between the 'big' clubs and the rest. It's harming smaller clubs as the top clubs in England, and across Europe, race ahead of them and widen the gap but compete in the same leagues. Extracting those clubs and putting them in a Euro Super League will isolate them away. You could see it being a European NFL.

I think FFP is the better way to redress the balance. I don't think the fact it stops another billionaire owner making another big club is a real disadvantage.

Shadow Demon UK · 18-05-2012, 12:14

Solskjaer is now in talks with Villa.

Get two or three years of good experience there ready to take the hot seat, that would be my dream scenario

denphone · 18-05-2012, 18:33

Manchester City & United talk to Lille over Eden Hazard.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18117516

LexDiamond · 18-05-2012, 19:40

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Originally Posted by denphone

Manchester City & United talk to Lille over Eden Hazard.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18117516

Thats the type of player United need if they want to return to the top.

**Damien** · 18-05-2012, 19:43

Lots of reports that Van Persie has indicated he will not sign a new contract at Arsenal under any circumstance with Manchester City being the most likely destination at Â£250,000 a week. We can't compete with that, our biggest offer is Â£130,000 which would make him the highest paid player by far.

If this is true then I hope we get the deal done with as soon as possible and use the rumoured Â£25 million to get two new strikers to replace him. One of them being Remy would be a decent buy and then get another dinky, creative forward that Wenger likes so much. That wouldn't be a bad return for losing Van Persie and, considering his age and injury record, might actually be an improvement. Two very good strikers for one great striker, more depth.

thenry · 18-05-2012, 19:49

not true. the 130k is twitter sourced and you take shots at me for quoting twitter. Van Persies waiting, stronger squad and euros. its good for him to wait. that doesn't mean he's gone. plus the quoted 25mil isn't enough for Van Persie. Ask any former player at Arsenal and there'll say the same.

Remy is close, I mean really close to joining to Tottenham

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and Matias Suarez has failed gaining a work permit so that looks to be off

denphone · 18-05-2012, 19:53

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Originally Posted by LexDiamond

Thats the type of player United need if they want to return to the top.

Yes we would welcome him with open arms at Anfield.

**Damien** · 18-05-2012, 20:14

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Originally Posted by thenry

not true. the 130k is twitter sourced and you take shots at me for quoting twitter.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...persie-arsenal

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Originally Posted by The Guardian

The striker opened negotiations with the Arsenal manager, ArsÃ¨ne Wenger, and the club's chief executive, Ivan Gazidis, in London on Wednesday and it was never likely that the meeting would end with Van Persie's signature on the new deal, which would pay him Â£130,000 a week, plus a Â£5m re-signing bonus. Van Persie's contract has a little over 12 months to run.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...t-ready-838373

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Originally Posted by The Mirror

But Manchester City - who are in pole position - and Juventus have both been made aware that van Persie has snubbed Arsenal's offer of a Â£130,000-a-week three-year contract.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...Euro-2012.html

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Originally Posted by The Telegraph

Manchester City and Juventus are both closely monitoring the situation and there is now a mounting sense that Van Persie is waiting to see what options emerge and how the transfer window unfolds. Juventus are prepared to at least match Arsenalâ€™s offer of around Â£130,000 a week but Manchester City could pay well in excess of Â£200,000 a week.

As I said in my post, 'reports said'. There are a number of reports from respected news sources. John Cross of The Mirror is close to the club. They could all be, and probably are, based on the same information but that would be stronger than 'twitter sourced'. None of the papers would lead so empathetically on Â£130,000 is it was someone on Twitter.

thenry · 18-05-2012, 20:17

like i said twitter sourced. that news broke on twitter first, jurnos jumped it. John Cross got stick.

Cobbydaler · 18-05-2012, 20:22

Didn't realise St Mary's had been chosen to test goal line technology:

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History was made at St Mary's tonight as the stadium hosted the first-ever competitive game to utilise goal-line technology.

This evening's Hampshire FA Senior Cup Final between Eastleigh and AFC Totton was selected by Hawk-Eye as the match in which they would showcase their technology in a live setting.

The game is part of the second phase of FIFA's goal-line technology testing, which began last Thursday when Hawk-Eye demonstrated their system to the media at St Mary's.

The Basingstoke-based company are one of two currently undergoing examination by Swiss testers EMPA, after the International Football Association Board approved them and another firm, GoalRef, following the first phase of testing.

Link

Not happy AFC Totton lost though, as that's where I went to grammar school...

**Damien** · 18-05-2012, 20:23

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Originally Posted by thenry

like i said twitter sourced. that news broke on twitter first, jurnos jumped it. John Cross got stick.

How do you know their sources? They are reporting it 'first hand', i.e not saying 'reports suggest'. Journalists have sources other than Twitter.

Anyway, that wasn't the point of my post. I was references the newspapers, not Twitter, and added the cavet of 'if it's true'. If it is true I suggest we sell as soon as possible to avoid a repeat of last summer and get replacements in early. The team must be done and dusted by the first game of the season, ideally before pre-season.

thenry · 18-05-2012, 20:31

ok but its not true if you ask me. Juve are chasing someone else. City will have to cough up a lot more than 25mil for him. 50mil for Torres ?

denphone · 18-05-2012, 20:34

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Originally Posted by thenry

ok but its not true if you ask me. Juve are chasing someone else. City will have to cough up a lot more than 25mil for him. 50mil for Torres ?

But remember thenry he is in the last year of his contract thus the fee will not be as high as it would if someone had 3 or 4 years still left on their contract.