President Trump 2.0

Originally Posted by Chris

No, you didn’t … you hoped it was so. The race was too close to call and there were enough conflicting metrics flying around to be able to select the ones that suited either case. Based on everything that occurred in the last 48 hours, what you did was win a coin toss.

Yes I did call it & I won’t have you telling me otherwise Chris. I do not do hope or predictions, my post stated he was going to win, I posted it as fact & I was right.

The race was not too close to call at all, that’s the pollsters view, but I saw raw early voting data & as I outlined in my post from late October, Kamala Harris did not build up a large enough “Firewall” in Pennsylvania, like Biden did in 2020 & I knew she was in trouble, hence why I said in my October post above, he was going to win.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Chris

No, you didn’t … you hoped it was so. The race was too close to call and there were enough conflicting metrics flying around to be able to select the ones that suited either case. Based on everything that occurred in the last 48 hours, what you did was win a coin toss.

No it wasn't people in the UK just relied on polls results , and left leaning news channels , not understanding they are rubbish in the USA.(the polls) Don't like the guy but his policies that a different story

Originally Posted by Itshim

No it wasn't people in the UK just relied on polls results , and left leaning news channels , not understanding they are rubbish in the USA.(the polls) Don't like the guy but his policies that a different story

Speak for yourself … I actually read stuff other than polls and UK-filtered reportage.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

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This is just pathetic.

Originally Posted by Mick

Yes I did call it & I won’t have you telling me otherwise Chris. I do not do hope or predictions, my post stated he was going to win, I posted it as fact & I was right.

The race was not too close to call at all, that’s the pollsters view, but I saw raw early voting data & as I outlined in my post from late October, Kamala Harris did not build up a large enough “Firewall” in Pennsylvania, like Biden did in 2020 & I knew she was in trouble, hence why I said in my October post above, he was going to win.

Of course you did ‘call’ it - everyone who made a prediction called it one way or the other. Some called it correctly, some called it incorrectly, and with the polls as tight as they were, whether you’re right or wrong is a coin toss. No, you did not post your prediction as a fact even if that’s what you thought you were doing. Future events are not facts until they’ve happened. You posted a prediction that you believed in strongly. There is a difference.

There was a ton of conflicting information out there. GOP channels were pushing data sets that showed Trump doing better than polls suggested. Dems did likewise. It’s called ‘narrative building’ and it’s designed to encourage your side to get out and vote while depressing the opposition. But please don’t pretend you performed some feat of psephological brilliance just because the team you cheerlead for happened to win - the fact that both sides indulge in narrative pushing activities means that whoever wins, can say ‘told you so’. That’s why I’m not buying it just because you said it.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Itshim

No it wasn't people in the UK just relied on polls results , and left leaning news channels , not understanding they are rubbish in the USA.(the polls) Don't like the guy but his policies that a different story

So what are his policies? He certainly was not able to cogently explain them.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by ianch99

So what are his policies? He certainly was not able to cogently explain them.

He explained them more clearly than his opponent did imho

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

He explained them more clearly than his opponent did imho

So what are they then? The point I am making is that the man himself was unable to cogently explain what he will do as President. The follow up point is that no one seemed to challenge him, when interviewed, as to the veracity of what he was saying. For example, take tariffs: he was saying that China would pay the cost but in reality, tariffs are paid by the importer who would then pass it on to the consumer so leading to higher prices. The very thing that voters seemed to (wrongly) punish the Democrats for.

Originally Posted by Mick

Yes I did call it & I won’t have you telling me otherwise Chris.

I'll tell you otherwise then.

You happened to guess right, as did many people.

If it were possible to "call it" in the manner you imply, there would be no point in anyone voting.


Its going to be an "interesting" 4 years (if he lives that long).

[ianch99]

So long ago but so accurate:

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by ianch99

So what are they then? The point I am making is that the man himself was unable to cogently explain what he will do as President. The follow up point is that no one seemed to challenge him, when interviewed, as to the veracity of what he was saying. For example, take tariffs: he was saying that China would pay the cost but in reality, tariffs are paid by the importer who would then pass it on to the consumer so leading to higher prices. The very thing that voters seemed to (wrongly) punish the Democrats for.

You’re missing the point he perhaps didn’t explain them cogently to you he obviously managed to resonate with a degree of the population and he obviously resonated more strongly that KH did to the electorate

This btw is a view shared with me talking to colleagues in the US (supporters of both parties)

The other view which seems to be held is that a section of the population aren’t aware of the world outside of America and that they see things such as the economic downturn and cost of living as something that happens only to them.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

You’re missing the point he perhaps didn’t explain them cogently to you he obviously managed to resonate with a degree of the population and he obviously resonated more strongly that KH did to the electorate

This btw is a view shared with me talking to colleagues in the US (supporters of both parties)

The other view which seems to be held is that a section of the population aren’t aware of the world outside of America and that they see things such as the economic downturn and cost of living as something that happens only to them.

Less than half of Americans have passports (87% have in the UK). Most of them aren't aware anywhere else exists.

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I thought Mr M explained it quite well.

[Mr K]

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Any more and you'll be out of this topic.
Dont start insulting an entire nation based on your views.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

So what are his policies? He certainly was not able to cogently explain them.

Secure the border

Deport illegal migrants

Reduce tax

Reduce inflation

Introduce Tariffs on cheap imports that hurt US manufacturing.

Roll back on Climate targets and policies that hurt US consumers

End the war in Ukraine

If you were ever paying attention, which you obviously weren’t, they were very clear.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

So what are they then? The point I am making is that the man himself was unable to cogently explain what he will do as President.

He was and he did.

You, however, appear to be unable to cogently understand them

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Less than half of Americans have passports (87% have in the UK). Most of them aren't aware anywhere else exists.

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This is an accusation levied at Americans by ignorant Brits (yes that is directed at you ) that like to feel superior, which is unfair and wrong. They have a continent they can frolic across without the need of a passport. We don’t have that luxury.

It’s also a myth that the USA is a homogeneous country, it isn’t. Going to different states in the USA is like visiting 50 different countries.

We need a passport otherwise it’s Cornwall every summer, the options for Americans are vastly greater.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

The other view which seems to be held is that a section of the population aren’t aware of the world outside of America and that they see things such as the economic downturn and cost of living as something that happens only to them.

And they have no obligation to consider the world o/s of the US. (I’m not suggesting you’re implying they should)